08-30-2025, 11:55 AM
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#8421
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanda
I think thats subjective. Not trading Anderson at the last TDL regardless of our standing is a pretty Flames thing to do. Same with not trading him at the Draft.
Re-tooling instead of Re-building in general is a pretty Flamesy thing to do.
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The Flames are currently doing possibly the biggest tear down rebuild in the salary cap era. Once they actually start to re-tool it will be a pretty Flamesy thing I guess.
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08-30-2025, 11:59 AM
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#8422
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by foreverflamefan
i’d rather we held him until the tdl if all we’re getting is a 2nd and a prospect.
If a major injury occurs around the league, or one of the early bird inquirers or offerings circle back, (with a little more enticing piece(s) coming our way), conroy will have no problem trading andersson. It’s only a matter of when.
Besides, more 1sts will be handed out once more know if they’re in playoff likelihood.
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connie is that you?
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08-30-2025, 12:05 PM
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#8423
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Ive noticed its always the same circle with some of you who judge anyone who critizes the Flames.
Its either
"Too early to judge"
Until it turns into
"O yeah hindsight is 20/20, easy to judge now.
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Why are you always judging people for not criticizing the Flames. Weird man.
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08-30-2025, 12:23 PM
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#8424
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Franchise Player
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This has been drawn out way longer than I thought, but I just go back to Conroy's comments early on when he took over as GM - high value assets will not walk away for nothing.
There is a larger chance that Andersson gets traded as a rental, rather than a player with an extension. By the deadline, I am not sure that the difference in pricing will mean all that much anyway, especially since the teams he may want to extend with may not have a need for him, at least long-term. There should be enough teams interested in him to drive up the price.
I am sure it will go down just like with all of Conroy's other trades - he has set a price, and when someone finally agrees to it, he will then let all the other interested parties know that he has a trade in place, and that they should submit their best offers now. Andersson won't walk for free.
As far as injury worries go, yes, that's always a concern. However, the Flames survived the repeated Tanev scares. Andersson has been very healthy in the last 4 season (well.. broken leg aside, which he played through). He has been fairly durable, with no repeated injuries. I will take the risk on a player like him.
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08-30-2025, 12:23 PM
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#8425
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Why are you always judging people for not criticizing the Flames. Weird man.
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I don't appreciate you judging me for judging people who judge me.
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08-30-2025, 12:41 PM
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#8426
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Franchise Player
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This “offer” rumoured to be from LA was nothing but picks, and from what I was told was very underwhelming considering some called it otherwise.
Multiple picks but no 1st rounder is what I heard.
Definitely not one I think anyone would be jumping at on this board, I found it more insulting to be honest.
I think he did us a favour turning it down.
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08-30-2025, 12:48 PM
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#8427
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Obviously we need to wait and see what the trade ends up being before we can fully judge, but I dont get why we have to give the flames the benefit of the doubt and berate fans who are nervous. The Flames have made many mistakes over the years.
Even looking at CC tenure, you dont have to look far to find a poor return for a dman in Hanifin, although maybe well get lucky with the pick. I also wasn't thrilled with the Tanev return, who is thought should of returned a 1st given what he is.
The writing has been on the wall with Rasmus for a while now. Hes a good player in a position if demand in an amazing contract. I still have faith they can hit a good return though.
If we dont get good value the flames ####ed up. Good value is a 1st + another solid asset.
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Half of the people expect a huge return and half say trade at any cost.
Tell me what better deals for Hanifin were turned down?
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08-30-2025, 12:54 PM
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#8428
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
This “offer” rumoured to be from LA was nothing but picks, and from what I was told was very underwhelming considering some called it otherwise.
Multiple picks but no 1st rounder is what I heard.
Definitely not one I think anyone would be jumping at on this board, I found it more insulting to be honest.
I think he did us a favour turning it down.
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Ooof. That is pretty #####3. Yet Dreger called it a whopper of an offer. Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Hopefully when the dust settles and everything is wrapped up, some of these lowball offers (that didn’t involve roster players) get revealed. See if the value was closer to the Pollyannas or Debbie downers on the board. This seems like the latter.
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08-30-2025, 12:55 PM
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#8429
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
This “offer” rumoured to be from LA was nothing but picks, and from what I was told was very underwhelming considering some called it otherwise.
Multiple picks but no 1st rounder is what I heard.
Definitely not one I think anyone would be jumping at on this board, I found it more insulting to be honest.
I think he did us a favour turning it down.
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Ooof. That is pretty $h!t. Yet Dreger called it a whopper of an offer. Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Hopefully when the dust settles and everything is wrapped up, some of these lowball offers (that didn’t involve roster players) get revealed. See if the value was closer to the Pollyannas or Debbie downers on the board. This seems like the latter.
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08-30-2025, 01:03 PM
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#8430
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First Line Centre
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The range of assets Conny gets in an Andersson deal seems essentially pre-determined based on rental prices of good players playing premium positions.
1 mid-late 1st
1 B class prospect or older tweener roster player
1 mid round pick if retention is involved
Anything more than that is amazing. Anything less... Conroy should feel shame.
The idea that LA offered multiple non-first round picks for an extended Andersson and the flames jumped at it is kind of absurd TBH. Wholly unbelievable.
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08-30-2025, 01:11 PM
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#8431
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Ive noticed its always the same circle with some of you who judge anyone who critizes the Flames.
Its either
"Too early to judge"
Until it turns into
"O yeah hindsight is 20/20, easy to judge now.
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Youre forgetting the intermediate phase where they bemoan the doubters as not real fans and ask why they don't just stop cheeing for the team.
Also forgot the phase where they reject you bringing up the old quotes as trying to take victory laps.
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08-30-2025, 01:12 PM
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#8432
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Major
The range of assets Conny gets in an Andersson deal seems essentially pre-determined based on rental prices of good players playing premium positions.
1 mid-late 1st
1 B class prospect or older tweener roster player
1 mid round pick if retention is involved
Anything more than that is amazing. Anything less... Conroy should feel shame.
The idea that LA offered multiple non-first round picks for an extended Andersson and the flames jumped at it is kind of absurd TBH. Wholly unbelievable.
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We won't get a 1st for andersson. Im positive.
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08-30-2025, 01:13 PM
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#8433
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Obviously we need to wait and see what the trade ends up being before we can fully judge, but I dont get why we have to give the flames the benefit of the doubt and berate fans who are nervous. The Flames have made many mistakes over the years.
Even looking at CC tenure, you dont have to look far to find a poor return for a dman in Hanifin, although maybe well get lucky with the pick. I also wasn't thrilled with the Tanev return, who is thought should of returned a 1st given what he is.
The writing has been on the wall with Rasmus for a while now. Hes a good player in a position if demand in an amazing contract. I still have faith they can hit a good return though.
If we dont get good value the flames ####ed up. Good value is a 1st + another solid asset.
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The Hanifin return was a first and a “solid asset” at the time in an nhl defender and a conditional 2nd round pick. That Miromanov hasn’t really turned out and the condition wasn’t met, doesn’t really change that. I agree on Tanev and think he should have waited until closer to the deadline before trading him and they would have got more-but part of that seemed to be trying to do right by the player.
On your last point, do you think they turned down a first and solid asset already? If not, it’s pretty illogical and irrational to suggest theyve screwed this up if no team offers it.
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08-30-2025, 01:16 PM
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#8434
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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It's not unusual for teams to overpay for rentals closer to the TDL. Going into the season when teams don't know where they stand, they are going to be less excited to acquire a player on an expiring contract they can't re-sign. Come closer to the TDL when the picture is starting to form, teams are more likely to say eff it, and throw their chips in.
Might as well wait it out at this point, as long as Conroy doesn't get cold feet if the Flames are also in the mix. Barring the unlikely event that the Flames are a serious contender of course.
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08-30-2025, 01:16 PM
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#8435
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
We won't get a 1st for andersson. Im positive.
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Unless he ####s the bed, they’ll get a 1st + for him
The 1st will be at the bottom of the round though
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08-30-2025, 01:19 PM
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#8436
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
Yet Dreger called it a whopper of an offer.
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Whoppers are big but fairly low quality, so i guess the comparison is apt.
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08-30-2025, 01:19 PM
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#8437
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Unless he ####s the bed, they’ll get a 1st + for him
The 1st will be at the bottom of the round though
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If we keep him and play him big minutes, it means zayne is probably getting 12ish a game max. Big minutes for Rasmus only gives us a partial chance at a good trade return and probably means we stunt Parekh.
Im choosing to believe we won't make that big of a mistake.
Hes not getting a first any time soon, based off last season's play.
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08-30-2025, 01:23 PM
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#8438
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
If we keep him and play him big minutes, it means zayne is probably getting 12ish a game max. Big minutes for Rasmus only gives us a partial chance at a good trade return and probably means we stunt Parekh.
Im choosing to believe we won't make that big of a mistake.
Hes not getting a first any time soon, based off last season's play.
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Stunt a 19 year old defender by limiting his exposure and sheltering him behind a veteran in his first year in the NHL?
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08-30-2025, 01:28 PM
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#8439
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YyjFlames
Stunt a 19 year old defender by limiting his exposure and sheltering him behind a veteran in his first year in the NHL?
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Makar got 21 mins a game in his rookie year. Hughes got 18. We cant give parekh less than 18 if we want him to turn out as we hope imo.
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08-30-2025, 01:36 PM
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#8440
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Makar got 21 mins a game in his rookie year. Hughes got 18. We cant give parekh less than 18 if we want him to turn out as we hope imo.
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Ras got 21.5 minutes a game last year, 23 the two years before. They’re not going to overplay him as that could expose him too. Parekh will get around 18 with power play time unless he turns out to be a major liability on defence in his first year.
I suspect Parekh will also spend a lot of time with Weegar showing him the game and Andersson will pair with Bahl.
But even if he gets 15 in his rookie year as a 19 year old, he’ll still develop (Hughes and Makar were both a year older in their rookie year too. That’s a big deal at that age).
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