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SweetDoc · 12-08-2010, 10:18 PM

Despite the Kings' proclamation that it's the Cup or bust this year, they have agreed to a downgrade and have maximized on their defensive depth.

The Kings have shipped Steve Eminger, FLA 2nd 2012, and Marek Hrivic to the Islanders for Brayden Schenn and Mike Weber.

The Islanders have positioned themselves in the top 8 in the east and it is no secret GM Beauchamp does not want to give that up; adding a shut down defender like Eminger (82 DF) will facilitate a better chance of a playoff birth.

This deal was negotiated quickly with both sides happy with their return.

MJK · 12-08-2010, 10:27 PM

I find it funny that you have to throw in Eminger's DF rating to try and justify him when he is not a very good dman. You win the deal and the Islanders could have gotten more for Schenn easily from someone else IMO.

SweetDoc · 12-08-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MJK

I find it funny that you have to throw in Eminger's DF rating to try and justify him when he is not a very good dman. You win the deal and the Islanders could have gotten more for Schenn easily from someone else IMO.

It was posted on the forum that Schenn was available, obvioulsy he didn't think the other offers were as good.

There is nothing wrong with an 82 D rating for a 66 OV defenseman.

Knut · 12-08-2010, 10:36 PM

^ I do not think he is blaming you. Schenn could have garnered better value if he had given it some time. Eminger is a good 4/5 guy with limited upside and is not really going to push him over e top. In fact I am sure he could have found a 80DF 66OV damn via cheaper means.

SweetDoc · 12-08-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hesla

^ I do not think he is blaming you. Schenn could have garnered better value if he had given it some time. Eminger is a good 4/5 guy with limited upside and is not really going to push him over e top. In fact I am sure he could have found a 80DF 66OV damn via cheaper means.

I didn't take it as him blaming me, in fact there is nothing to blame. Two GMs made a deal they are both satisfied with. Islanders GM did what any GM would have done, he made it public that a player was available and tried to maximize the return.

If he didn't get more for him that simply means there wasn't a better offer out there; sounds like sour grapes to me.

droopydrew19 · 12-08-2010, 10:46 PM

wow... I guess "I will get back to you for sure" doesnt mean I will get back to you at all. Not sour grapes but I KNOW I would have given more and my starting offer likely topped this deal as well.

CMPunk · 12-08-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by droopydrew19

wow... I guess "I will get back to you for sure" doesnt mean I will get back to you at all. Not sour grapes but I KNOW I would have given more and my starting offer likely topped this deal as well.

OILFAN #81 · 12-09-2010, 12:20 AM

Wow, this deal is one sided IMO. Huge win for LA. Schenn is a top tier prospect and Weber is in the NHL playing for the Sabres. Break out the vaseline.

I wanna be like Miikka · 12-09-2010, 06:23 AM

Easy win for la. Eminger may have a good df but realistically he is nothing more then a depth prospect. Schenn should have garnered a much higher return.

MJK · 12-09-2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetDoc

It was posted on the forum that Schenn was available, obvioulsy he didn't think the other offers were as good.

There is nothing wrong with an 82 D rating for a 66 OV defenseman.

I also find it funny that you know you won the deal but are still trying to make it sound like NYI got a fair one. This is a page right out of the MJK school of trading.

Eminger stinks. He is a #5-6 dman in the NHL and as a 66OV dman in the CPHL, he is not that good.

Goffie · 12-09-2010, 08:18 AM

Gotta say I like this a lot for the Kings, but if nobody else stepped in with a big offer then the good on the Kings for getting in an offer. I thought my initial offer wasnt going to be enough; in hindsight I wish I would have sent it. Sometimes it pays to make offers on players and this was a case of that.

Swayze11 · 12-09-2010, 08:25 AM

Damn, if I knew thats all it would have taken for Schenn I might have pursued it more! Big win for LA.

Slava · 12-09-2010, 08:42 AM

E5 Schenn to Nashville for Kostopoulos (79df)!

Prototype · 12-09-2010, 10:11 AM

I didn't step up with an offer, because the price from my team, as I was told from NYI, would have been too high. Having said that, the player he was after would never be traded for Eminger.

Looks like I'm going to have to give up the Riser at the end of the season.

JiriHrdina · 12-09-2010, 11:21 AM

Well the Isle saw a need and filled it - which is part of what trading is all about. He wanted a solid DF dman and got one. That's good

But there's no question value wise this is a poor trade.

This illustrates a point I was making back when people were upset about the lack of deals/activity. GMs that want to trade a lot are generally those that are good at it - so more trades means their team gets better.

But not every GM is like that. Some aren't as savvy on the trade front and as such need to take a more patient approach.

To boil it down - while we are all out to improve our teams unbalanced trades are a factor in slowing down trading activity. If you want to see more deals - then it isn't always necessary to pull off a huge win with every transactions. (and I say that as a GM that fully admits to bending fellow GMs over from time to time).

mbeauchamp76 · 12-09-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by droopydrew19

wow... I guess "I will get back to you for sure" doesnt mean I will get back to you at all. Not sour grapes but I KNOW I would have given more and my starting offer likely topped this deal as well.

I did send a message back to you however I was getting error messages saying it could not be delivered. I would never back out on a promise. I sincerely apologize if you thought of it that way. I did explain I was not looking for prospects and that I need an NHL starter in return. Not sure where you would of ended up but everyone was sure gun shy last night except for Joe and BJ.

MJK · 12-09-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mbeauchamp76

I did send a message back to you however I was getting error messages saying it could not be delivered. I would never back out on a promise. I sincerely apologize if you thought of it that way. I did explain I was not looking for prospects and that I need an NHL starter in return. Not sure where you would of ended up but everyone was sure gun shy last night except for Joe and BJ.

I was trying to chat to you but you disappeared as well. I waited for a bit for you to come back with a response but then you went to 'away'. A PM would have worked but you kinda left things high and dry with me as well.

mbeauchamp76 · 12-09-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MJK

I was trying to chat to you but you disappeared as well. I waited for a bit for you to come back with a response but then you went to 'away'. A PM would have worked but you kinda left things high and dry with me as well.

I was having the same problem with you Dave as with Drew sorry about that, you did keep coming back with different ideas which I am thankful for however they were either getting worse or going away from what I was looking for. That is why I hate the MSN thing and prefer PM. With PM, GM's are more willing to give you a legitimate offer upfront because they don't want to take days to get a deal done. Yes MSN gets things done faster but I went on MSN only to have this happen now with GM's telling me I should have PM'd them and that I screwed up. The fact is these conversations didn't seem to be leading anywhere I liked. I didn't see a PM neither.

mbeauchamp76 · 12-09-2010, 12:34 PM

Wow, tough crowd. The only one who is defending me is the GM I traded with. I knew there would be some comments saying I could have got more but that is usually the way it works. There sure are alot of Eminger haters out there, for a guy who was once a top 12 pick overall. The way I saw it that he was a top 4 D on the NHL Rangers. There is no guarantee that Schenn will turn out to be nothing more than a two-way center in the NHL. His progress is also delayed because of LA's stacked team. Although Weber is still young he is still unproven or haven't seen anything special out of him.

Does anyone actually think I could have got a current NHL superstar or top tier player for a top tier prospect who is not a Hall or Seguin? The problem was to do that I would have had to give up one of my good starters

Since we are throwing everything out there, a GM who I won't name planted the seed of doubt for me with Schenn and I guess that is all it took. I was getting the feeling of me against the world and maybe the smart thing would have just been to call it off completely. Or I should of tried to trade him before he was sent to the minors. Who knows?

Anyway I wasn't even trying to trade Schenn originally as I was just looking for a 62-64OV dman for Miller or Paille and a prospect and everytime I mention prospect guess who GM's immediately look at, "Schenn" well I guess I don't have that problem anymore. So I tried to do the right thing to see what his value was. Everyone seems to know he is worth more but didn't want to give up more except for Joe.

With trading away Sopel in the Kunitz trade I was in need of another D man and now I get to keep Miller and Paille for depth.

Thank you BJ for stepping up, I guess now based on these comments you can go ahead and get a fortune for Schenn and take home the cup. Good luck.

cphlblackhawks · 12-09-2010, 01:15 PM

I wasn't going to offer much for Schenn, he'll be at best a very good second liner, but I know that WHL prospects are always worth a lot in the league (rose coloured glasses effect) and is the reason I didn't even make an offer.