It will be awesome to see what university these kids will be accepted into that promises no homework AND no tests.
In related news, high schools in the area are paying close attention to what school these helicopter...err... vigilant parents want to send their kids.
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It will be awesome to see what university these kids will be accepted into that promises no homework AND no tests.
In related news, high schools in the area are paying close attention to what school these helicopter...err... vigilant parents want to send their kids.
Haha this is just stupid.
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And so, the Milleys have asked the school to review the exam policy, changing the rules so there are fewer tests, and teachers aren't overlapping each other with end-of-unit exams.
In highschool, my school actually intentionally did this. It sucked at the time but gave me a huge leg up in terms of time management/study skills at the post secondary level.
In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
I think children are better off making a few mistakes but finding their way to solving a problem, rather then doing 20 homework questions to beat down the process into their brain.
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In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
I think children are better off making a few mistakes but finding their way to solving a problem, rather then doing 20 homework questions to beat down the process into their brain.
Disagree. Smart people can be creative and find solutions to problems but some people can't. Since school targets the majority, homework and repetition, especially at younger ages, should probably be endorsed (within reason).
As for no exams or getting in the way of scheduling, that's ludicrous.
In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
I think children are better off making a few mistakes but finding their way to solving a problem, rather then doing 20 homework questions to beat down the process into their brain.
Come on. I know you're not saying this about math, so I'll skip that, but even a subject like english has good reason for testing. Look at the garbage spelling and grammar on this very board.
And Social Studies? Again, just look at some of the political threads on this board to see why kids should be tested and failed for not understanding squat.
Kids are creative enough. Look at the funny pics thread. The only problem in there is the atrocious spelling.
I for one support this fully. The more we wussify the work force the better chance I have to remain employed in my later years. Hell, I'm not even a hard worker but I look like a 1930's coal miner next to these buttercups.
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I for one support this fully. The more we wussify the work force the better chance I have to remain employed in my later years. Hell, I'm not even a hard worker but I look like a 1930's coal miner next to these buttercups.
But on the downside, you'll end up in management positions where all of the employees reporting to you will be incompetent idiots and you'll beat your head on your desk trying to get results. And they'll make you look bad because the end goals can't be met with garbage teams.
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In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
I think children are better off making a few mistakes but finding their way to solving a problem, rather then doing 20 homework questions to beat down the process into their brain.
Disagree. Smart people can be creative and find solutions to problems but some people can't. Since school targets the majority, homework and repetition, especially at younger ages, should probably be endorsed (within reason).
As for no exams or getting in the way of scheduling, that's ludicrous.
I think training is an important smart of developing a smart person. Very very few of the smart people can work their way through a problem without an ounce of training. In K-12, I found schools to straight memorization and everything went out of the window after the test. At UofA and Stanford, how the classes are taught (as far as sciences go) the concepts are shown in simple examples but not a single homework problem will resemble anything to an in class example. Lectures give you the tools to work out the problem, but not the process, which is why the homework sets were 3-4 questions per set, each set given every 2-3 weeks. I think you learn a lot more that way, rather then the K-12 education where homework was 20 questions and night, all streamlined the same way.
I can also say that in high school (gr 10-12) my math teacher did not believe in assigning homework. In comparison to the 2 other classes (each class had the same teacher throughout HS) our class performed far above the other 2 classes in terms of provincial exam (our class was 9% and 13% higher on average), math/science competitions, university success for those that entered science fields, and career wise.
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In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
Students who do homework are less likely to use the verb 'unbias' as an adjective (the adjective form is 'unbiased'). But of course grammar probably falls into the 'formula and regurgitation' category.
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I think training is an important smart of developing a smart person. Very very few of the smart people can work their way through a problem without an ounce of training. In K-12, I found schools to straight memorization and everything went out of the window after the test. At UofA and Stanford, how the classes are taught (as far as sciences go) the concepts are shown in simple examples but not a single homework problem will resemble anything to an in class example. Lectures give you the tools to work out the problem, but not the process, which is why the homework sets were 3-4 questions per set, each set given every 2-3 weeks. I think you learn a lot more that way, rather then the K-12 education where homework was 20 questions and night, all streamlined the same way.
I can also say that in high school (gr 10-12) my math teacher did not believe in assigning homework. In comparison to the 2 other classes (each class had the same teacher throughout HS) our class performed far above the other 2 classes in terms of provincial exam (our class was 9% and 13% higher on average), math/science competitions, university success for those that entered science fields, and career wise.
So I'm kind of confused by your first part. You seem to insinuate that few smart people can get through a problem without training (homework)..?
At any rate, much of the concepts learned in K-12 do just require straight memorization. There is no "outside the box" in 4 x 4 = 16. That's just the way she goes. Furthermore in English, there are rules and laws that govern how we read, write and speak. Homework reinforces what's taught in the classroom through repetition. Plus it cuts into smoking, drinking and video game time. No?
Students who do homework are less likely to use the verb 'unbias' as an adjective (the adjective form is 'unbiased'). But of course grammar probably falls into the 'formula and regurgitation' category.
Suite yourself. That's just my opinion.
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So I'm kind of confused by your first part. You seem to insinuate that few smart people can get through a problem without training (homework)..?
At any rate, much of the concepts learned in K-12 do just require straight memorization. There is no "outside the box" in 4 x 4 = 16. That's just the way she goes. Furthermore in English, there are rules and laws that govern how we read, write and speak. Homework reinforces what's taught in the classroom through repetition. Plus it cuts into smoking, drinking and video game time. No?
I should clarify. I find learn through repetition doesn't help someone develop a student the way I think a school should. But if you want to have a perfect grammer, perfect spelling, student who follows instructions, great! I just think that children have an enormous opportunity to do things that experienced people "stuck in their ways" don't have. I was actually just talking to another CP poster about this the other day.
I wasn't insinuating that students should go out and waste their life if they don't have homework. I can tell you I don't play video games at all nor do I watch TV, and I haven't done either in a decade (at home). I think kids should be going out and being active physically and do things (constructive) they have a passion for. I think its better to encourage students to be active and physically alert, and well-rounded which helps out academics as well. One thing I see with successful people is they are active and well rounded. At Stanford, you see very few people studying 24-7.
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In all seriousness, I think homework does more harm then good for students. A unbias mind is open towards creativity and solutions, and the school system demands formula and regurgitation. As a result, the school system breeds monkeys jumping through hoops, only able to regurgitate what they were told to believe and reiterate it like faith without really having an opinion for themselves.
I think children are better off making a few mistakes but finding their way to solving a problem, rather then doing 20 homework questions to beat down the process into their brain.
Okay, but what about the testing? Perhaps the parents had a point by fighting repetitive homework, but now getting back into the news to fight testing, doesn't that smack of arrogance?
At what point do the parents simply tell their kids that life isn't always fun, and that test anxiety is just a microcosm for stress they'll face in later life?
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Okay, but what about the testing? Perhaps the parents had a point by fighting repetitive homework, but now getting back into the news to fight testing, doesn't that smack of arrogance?
At what point do the parents simply tell their kids that life isn't always fun, and that test anxiety is just a microcosm for stress they'll face in later life?
I was just talking about homework. I think tests are a necessary evil.
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To be fair, or, as fair to people who are making poor decisions 'on behalf' of their children as one can be, I have been changing my testing practices over the past couple years. For example, curricular outcomes state "students must understand ......" but they do not say "students must understand ..... without any study aids, in a time-limited environment, writing on a scantron sheet ..."
Teaching is in general slow to accept changes, however, sometimes things are done a certain way for a reason. Homework and testing are just as much a part of socialization as they are for learning curricular outcomes. They also help teach students things not necessarily covered by the outcomes.
To be fair, or, as fair to people who are making poor decisions 'on behalf' of their children as one can be, I have been changing my testing practices over the past couple years. For example, curricular outcomes state "students must understand ......" but they do not say "students must understand ..... without any study aids, in a time-limited environment, writing on a scantron sheet ..."
Teaching is in general slow to accept changes, however, sometimes things are done a certain way for a reason. Homework and testing are just as much a part of socialization as they are for learning curricular outcomes. They also help teach students things not necessarily covered by the outcomes.
Oh, I certainly agree. I've seen enough armchair teachers (Fraser Institute) who think tests and quantitative results tell the whole story. I just argue; however, that testing does play a meaningful role in assessing knowledge outcomes and teaching time management skills.
__________________ “The fact is that censorship always defeats it's own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion.”
To be fair, or, as fair to people who are making poor decisions 'on behalf' of their children as one can be, I have been changing my testing practices over the past couple years. For example, curricular outcomes state "students must understand ......" but they do not say "students must understand ..... without any study aids, in a time-limited environment, writing on a scantron sheet ..."
Teaching is in general slow to accept changes, however, sometimes things are done a certain way for a reason. Homework and testing are just as much a part of socialization as they are for learning curricular outcomes. They also help teach students things not necessarily covered by the outcomes.
I think there is certainly room for innovation in teaching. One of my friends is a young teacher, and he's doing a lot of out-of-the-box teaching the past 2 years (he's been teaching for 4 years) and he's noticed quite a difference in the students attitudes, enthusiasm and understanding of concepts.
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First they came for the homework...
