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Old 06-24-2010, 03:37 PM   #1
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While they may never be able to truly defeat piracy and drive it from the lurking depths of the internet, copyright protection attack-dog organizations like the RIAA and MPAA have long dreamed of the day when they would no longer have to pay for their own copyright enforcement. Now that dream is on the verge of coming true, thanks to the Obama administration.

After countless lobbyist dollars from the music and film industry and a brief "public review", the administration rolled out its vision to fight piracy yesterday afternoon. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden -- whose blunt speech has sometime left him in trouble -- did not mince words.

He states, "This is theft, clear and simple. It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window."
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18815

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It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk"). This is among the first official "thought crime" provisions to be proposed by the U.S. government.
Oh don't we love big government.

'Thought' crime. Gotta love it.
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Politics aside as both sides are corrupt as hell...

I would support legislation if the industry wasnt so backwards.

Thinking its illegal for me to rip a DVD so I can watch it on my DVR because I bought the move on DVD format and not digital format is complete and utter lunacy and loses them any sympathy points they might have gained.

The new Canadian legislation is practically a carbon copy of the US one - a funny line in the Canadian legislation "its now legal to rip CDs and put them on your iPod" - lunacy is the only word I can use to describe that wont get me anther "mod edit".
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:45 PM   #3
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Any Idea when the Canadian one is going to come into power?
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So if I had a way of copying jewelry that I purchased at Tiffany's and then returned my original for a full refund, what do they figure that constitutes?

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I don't think they understand the piracy community won't go away.

You want to charge $18 for a cd that contains 7 filler tracks, or a movie that costs bloody $22 that I'll need to buy 3 other times just to watch on my computer and xbox because of legality terms, go eff yourself.
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:25 PM   #6
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The privacy law will be a problem within itself to enforce.

The courts aren't even involved yet. And they need to get support from the ISPs, etc, etc.

Either way, the 'thought crime' bill is what is disturbing.

But I'm not surprised that they would table something like that. The US government has been a sellout for a while now. Obama is just continuing on with the stupidity.

Everyone get over 'hope and change' already?
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Old 06-24-2010, 04:41 PM   #8
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I would gladly buy all of my albums on itunes if they had a bigger selection, but if the big, bad government thinks they're going to bully me into buying a $30 CD for 12 tracks so some Hollywood artist can encrust his toilet with diamonds they're sadly mistaken.

If prices were simply more reasonable I would probably do more of my shopping at brick and mortar stores, but when you can download the album on itunes for half the price or simply torrent it for free what is any rational person going to do?

The thought crime thing is kind of scary though. That's something I don't want to see happen because it opens the door for so many other things.
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Jeesh what a horrible horrible horrible idea, thought crime really?

Where's the thought crime unit Tom Cruise!?!
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I would gladly buy all of my albums on itunes if they had a bigger selection, but if the big, bad government thinks they're going to bully me into buying a $30 CD for 12 tracks so some Hollywood artist can encrust his toilet with diamonds they're sadly mistaken.

If prices were simply more reasonable I would probably do more of my shopping at brick and mortar stores, but when you can download the album on itunes for half the price or simply torrent it for free what is any rational person going to do?

The thought crime thing is kind of scary though. That's something I don't want to see happen because it opens the door for so many other things.
If you are buying discs that costs $30 for 12 songs, you need to find a new store.
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I don't think they understand the piracy community won't go away.

You want to charge $18 for a cd that contains 7 filler tracks, or a movie that costs bloody $22 that I'll need to buy 3 other times just to watch on my computer and xbox because of legality terms, go eff yourself.

The government doesn't want piracy to stop. Creating a division devoted to piracy crackdown will a) create government income b) create jobs which they can brag about to the public.
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If the entertainment industry was smart they would find ways to make money without worrying about piracy. Massive obvious product placement would be one option- sure they would be slammed for "selling out" in some cases, but movie studios arent philanthropists, they're businesses.

Maybe offer your own downloading sites where people have to watch a commercial before it downloads. Or create a downloading program that is ad supported. Think outside the box ya stinkin bums!

Stop sitting on your asses crying about it and do something other than whining to the govt.
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I wonder if this law isn't just a red herring and really what the government wants is an excuse to snoop into American's private e-mails/computers.
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I wonder if this law isn't just a red herring and really what the government wants is an excuse to snoop into American's private e-mails/computers.
They can already do that.
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I'm not a republican sympathizer but Bush would have got skewered for this!
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I don't think they understand the piracy community won't go away.

You want to charge $18 for a cd that contains 7 filler tracks
I hate to see the government involving itself it piracy crackdown, and doubt it comes to fruition. But, I have no use for an argument like that. You are saying, you actually do want something, but don't like the price they are asking, so you will just take it anyway. You think it should be up to you to unilatellarly decided how much you should pay someone for their work? I am all for cracking down on freeloaders like you. If no one paid, then no one would make music or movies any more.

It is also odd that people are arguing against this American policy with examples that are protected in the US by the Fair Use doctrine. ie, ripping a dvd to a dvr or ipod.
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Thought-criming.....

The ESP unit of the FBI will soon be in MBY looking in my window.
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It is also odd that people are arguing against this American policy with examples that are protected in the US by the Fair Use doctrine. ie, ripping a dvd to a dvr or ipod.
It was my understanding that the law prohibits using any program which bypasses any security encription. Therefore while coping the content from a DVD to a DVR may be protected by fair use it isn't possible to do it legally because the encryption on the disk would need to be broken first.
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It was my understanding that the law prohibits using any program which bypasses any security encription. Therefore while coping the content from a DVD to a DVR may be protected by fair use it isn't possible to do it legally because the encryption on the disk would need to be broken first.
Bingo. You have no fair use rights to anything that's copy protected. Making it illegal to break a digital lock also creates other problems, such as infinite copyright (can't copy something with a digital lock even after the copyright is supposed to be expired), deterrent to creating new/better formats/hardware (the law is anti-innovation - and in Canada it was first introduced by our Minister of Industry!) etc. IMO if anything should be illegal here, it's implementing digital locks to prevent consumers from exercising fair use rights.
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I don't bother "stealing" anything like movies..etc but I ran into a guy at an xmas party last year claiming he was a porn producer/actor saying he's gone from making 3 million plus to almost broke because of internet piracy, he was very believable except he didn't look like any porn dude I ever saw in those flics.(possibly a huge dong) Can't remember his name but said he was born and raised here in Calgary and lives in LA.

If piracy is realy that bad maybe something needs to be done, if a porn guy loses 3 million a year imagine what a company like United Artists are losing!
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