I am on my way to work so I have not finished watching this, but this is the first time I heard about The Pink Swastika. Does he realize how ironic it is that he use the pink triangle on the cover? It was the symbol the Nazis used to label homosexuals when they threw them into the concentration camps. They were the third biggest targets after Jews and Gypsies. But no, I see his point. Homosexuals had to be the cause of the Nazi movement. I cannot believe we North Americans have not yet heard the truth spoken by these Uganda Holy Men; all gays enjoy consuming feces, and are evil.
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Originally Posted by ynwa03
So being against homosexuality is hate speech?
I hope this is sarcasm. I am fed up with this attitude. Ignorance to the dangers of dehumanizing and demonizing an entire group of people is just as bad as being the ones propagating this hatred. Its just as bad as if you passed laws to jail and execute homosexuals yourself.
Sorry to derail teh funny, if people want I can split out the documentary and related posts into another thread, just not sure if anyone wants to argue that again.
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Sorry to derail teh funny, if people want I can split out the documentary and related posts into another thread, just not sure if anyone wants to argue that again.
I think that would be a great idea. Even though I did find what they had to say funny.
Hard to believe these people actually cheer on and believe what these guys tell them.
Yeah, that's pretty bizarre. I just want to point out that there is a difference between morality and puritanical tyranny. Just before this turns into a smear against all religious people.
The "pastor" is a rotten piece of garbage. Very strange the explicit ways he details the sex act. Wouldn't be surprised if he is the same as many of his other closeted brethren around the world.
I hope this is sarcasm. I am fed up with this attitude. Ignorance to the dangers of dehumanizing and demonizing an entire group of people is just as bad as being the ones propagating this hatred. Its just as bad as if you passed laws to jail and execute homosexuals yourself.
You're comparing being morally opposed to something to going out an executing gays? Wow.
You're comparing being morally opposed to something to going out an executing gays? Wow.
You can be morally opposed to black people being able to get married or adopt children, that is your right. But when you express that hatred in the manner that the religious leader was doing in the video, and advocating the passage of laws such as that anti-homosexuality bill in Uganda, then your actions should be opposed by any civilized society.
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I don't understand how this needs a new thread??
All i did was ask the poster if he thinks being against homosexuality is hate speech. I don't see how that's a controversial question. It seems like people are only in favour of free speech if it suits their beliefs. Offend an entire religion intentionally with a comic and it's free speech; take part in white supremacist groups and it's free speech as long as you don't get violent. Stand up and oppose homosexuality and it's hate speech.
You can be morally opposed to black people being able to get married or adopt children, that is your right. But when you express that hatred in the manner that the religious leader was doing in the video, and advocating the passage of laws such as that anti-homosexuality bill in Uganda, then your actions should be opposed by any civilized society.
How do you account for laws against burkas? Or against minarets? I didn't hear opposition by "any civilized society" about these issues.
It didn't belong in the funny stuff thread so I split out the posts.
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Originally Posted by ynwa03
All i did was ask the poster if he thinks being against homosexuality is hate speech. I don't see how that's a controversial question. It seems like people are only in favour of free speech if it suits their beliefs. Offend an entire religion intentionally with a comic and it's free speech; take part in white supremacist groups and it's free speech as long as you don't get violent. Stand up and oppose homosexuality and it's hate speech.
A couple of things.. people choose their religion so speaking out against someone's choices is one thing, speaking out against what someone is is a different thing. Speaking out against being homosexual, being black, being a woman, is different.
And the white supremacist group is probably a decent analogy.. personally I don't think they should be silenced, or someone saying they think homosexuality is wrong should be silenced.
But calling something hate speech isn't silencing them. Speaking out against what they are saying is also free speech, and combating an evil or immoral message with a good or moral one is a good thing.
However the guy in that video is going far beyond saying it's wrong, he's actually arranging things that will result in the killing of homosexuals, or at least jailing them for life, which crosses the line from freedom of speech to something that shouldn't be tolerated.. sometimes rights have to be restricted.
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You can be morally opposed to black people being able to get married or adopt children, that is your right. But when you express that hatred in the manner that the religious leader was doing in the video, and advocating the passage of laws such as that anti-homosexuality bill in Uganda, then your actions should be opposed by any civilized society.
But that's exactly it...there's two ends of the spectrum and you stated that if you were morally opposed to something that it was equal to going out and hanging them.
Lets say I'm morally opposed to people lying...that doesn't meant I want to go out and kill them. I agree with you that the whole thing is repulsive and if anything I was playing devil's advocate. I agree that the whole bill is absolutely disgusting...but just because someone is morally opposed to it doesn't make them part of this mob.
But that's exactly it...there's two ends of the spectrum and you stated that if you were morally opposed to something that it was equal to going out and hanging them.
Lets say I'm morally opposed to people lying...that doesn't meant I want to go out and kill them. I agree with you that the whole thing is repulsive and if anything I was playing devil's advocate. I agree that the whole bill is absolutely disgusting...but just because someone is morally opposed to it doesn't make them part of this mob.
One big problem with that, if you believe being gay is something you learn or decide or IF you believe that you are born that way. Lying isn't something you are born with, as of yet we haven't found evidence to suggest that anyhow, but we have however been moving towards a genetic factor in homosexuality and other environmental factors.
Then your example holds no weight, or you believe its a choice and again we are back to people putting their belief over evidence.
One big problem with that, if you believe being gay is something you learn or decide or IF you believe that you are born that way. Lying isn't something you are born with, as of yet we haven't found evidence to suggest that anyhow, but we have however been moving towards a genetic factor in homosexuality and other environmental factors.
Then your example holds no weight, or you believe its a choice and again we are back to people putting their belief over evidence.
I'm obviously not going to open that door in this thread...I'm sure CP has had enough of that in the past
Lying is as about instinctual as I could think of something. Kids lie as soon as they start talking. Would obesity be a better choice? Even now some believe pedophilia isn't a "choice"...
Anyways, I still think my point is valid that there's a huge difference between being morally opposed to something and going out and executing gays...I don't think its that far of a stretch?
I'm obviously not going to open that door in this thread...I'm sure CP has had enough of that in the past
Lying is as about instinctual as I could think of something. Kids lie as soon as they start talking. Would obesity be a better choice? Even now some believe pedophilia isn't a "choice"...
Anyways, I still think my point is valid that there's a huge difference between being morally opposed to something and going out and executing gays...I don't think its that far of a stretch?
Well again the word 'morally' is used as a blanket over what you really mean by your opposition, when you push those opposed to gay rights, gay's, etc.. they tend to say safe words like "morally opposed, don't believe in it" while not telling us why they hold those positions.
Obviously there is a difference, I mean there were people who hated blacks, but would never hang or hurt them. Then there were those who lynched them.
So yes, a difference no doubt, but I think we're talking about an intolerance scale here.
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