Hit-and-run killer granted day parole

[calculoso]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20.../13107296.html

Just three years into a manslaughter rap for a deadly New Year’s Day hit-and-run, Samrat Dhuna has been granted day parole.

Dhuna had been serving a 10-year sentence for plowing his van into a group of revellers outside a Kensington bar hours into 2006, which left 24-year-old Raminder Dhadda dead and severely injuring friends Karen Gill and Parminder Marahar.

But after serving only one-third of his sentence, a parole panel in Abbotsford, B.C. Wednesday granted Dhuna day parole, allowing him to serve time in a community halfway house with the potential of full release after only six months.

This is ridiculous. What is the point of a 10-year sentence if he's only going to serve 1/3 of it?

He added the board also denied his request for full parole.

Big whop-de-do. Should have denied a heck of a lot more than that.

[Regulator75]

This punk makes me sick. What a waste of a human being.

[transplant99]

Canadian "justice" at its finest....example 4597940.

[Locke]

I'm always comforted by the fact that when I commit a fairly egregious crime everything will be okay....

[REDVAN]

It's sad that someone died, and the person responsible doesn't have to rot in jail- HOWEVER- you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought? I know it would haunt me each and every day and I would require serious mental health support.

And, also: not to defend the guilty person, but he was guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter is much, much different than MURDER, which is what a KILLER does. A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO. Somewhat sensationalist title for the linked article.

edit: A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO... I should say "A manslaughter-er is not neccessarily a killer IMO", because I guess it is possible, but I'd hate to paint every manslaughter-er with the killer brush. It could have been a terrible accident.

[mykalberta]

Its amazing to me that in our society, if you use a vehicle to kill someone you get off alot easier than if you were to use a gun or knife.

Why anyone would use a gun or knife instead of just running them down is beyond me. I guess its true criminals are truly stupid or maybe our justice system is just broke - or maybe both. Also remorse should enter into this at all, those persons acted and their actions caused a death, sorry or not shouldnt even enter into the discussion this early in the sentence.

[fredr123]

Friggin' lawyers

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

It's sad that someone died, and the person responsible doesn't have to rot in jail- HOWEVER- you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought? I know it would haunt me each and every day and I would require serious mental health support.

And, also: not to defend the guilty person, but he was guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter is much, much different than MURDER, which is what a KILLER does. A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO. Somewhat sensationalist title for the linked article.

edit: A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO... I should say "A manslaughter-er is not neccessarily a killer IMO", because I guess it is possible, but I'd hate to paint every manslaughter-er with the killer brush. It could have been a terrible accident.

I agree with you on a lot of points. I can't say I'm familiar with this case but according to the article one of the conditions of his parole are alcohol restrictions which leads me to believe that alcohol may have been a factor in the accident. Driving 10 over the speed limit, hitting some black ice and losing control is much different than getting hammered and plowing into a group of people. Without knowing such details it's hard to say how much the justice system has failed, or not failed.

[Regulator75]

Could you imagine if he was driving a Toyota and the gas pedal was stuck.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

It's sad that someone died, and the person responsible doesn't have to rot in jail- HOWEVER- you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought? I know it would haunt me each and every day and I would require serious mental health support.

And, also: not to defend the guilty person, but he was guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter is much, much different than MURDER, which is what a KILLER does. A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO. Somewhat sensationalist title for the linked article.

edit: A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO... I should say "A manslaughter-er is not neccessarily a killer IMO", because I guess it is possible, but I'd hate to paint every manslaughter-er with the killer brush. It could have been a terrible accident.

Couldn't agree more with this. At any point, any of us could hit and kill someone with our car. Who knows how I would react. Running might be the only thing going through my mind too. It doesn't mean I'm necessarily a bad person.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

It's sad that someone died, and the person responsible doesn't have to rot in jail- HOWEVER- you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought? I know it would haunt me each and every day and I would require serious mental health support.

The fact that he got a 10 year sentence says a lot.

That he isn't even serving half of it says even more.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by calculoso

The fact that he got a 10 year sentence says a lot.

That he isn't even serving half of it says even more.

Fair enough. I'm not arguing that it's too little of sentence (If he got a 3 year sentence then we'd argue it was too short but I'd be fine if he was let out now), I guess I just don't like him being called a killer. I don't know the specifics, and maybe he was drunk off his mind, in which case that sentence is way too short and he should also lose his licence. But it sounds like only restrictions were placed, so I don't know the details.

I just think of it like this: if I had two or three drinks one night, so enough to feel it but be under the limit- basically like half the population does, and then drove and someone stepped out onto the sidewalk, then I am labeled a drunk driving killer.

Yes I had a drink or two, but in no way would I have been able to prevent the incident, even if I had been sober.

No matter what happens, I look like a bad guy because I ran someone over.

It's a very interesting and weird thing to think about, because things can happen just like that sometimes. As bad as it is for the victims, sometimes it can be just as bad for the alleged perpetraitors.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

It's sad that someone died, and the person responsible doesn't have to rot in jail- HOWEVER- you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought? I know it would haunt me each and every day and I would require serious mental health support.

And, also: not to defend the guilty person, but he was guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter is much, much different than MURDER, which is what a KILLER does. A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO. Somewhat sensationalist title for the linked article.

edit: A manslaughter-er is not a killer IMO... I should say "A manslaughter-er is not neccessarily a killer IMO", because I guess it is possible, but I'd hate to paint every manslaughter-er with the killer brush. It could have been a terrible accident.

Manslaughter to me is an argument of semantics, basically he got into his car drunk or not and plowed into a crowd. Drunk or not he certainly put his life above others.

I always have trouble with the argument that he's going to be guilty for the rest of his life. I never believe it, especially after such a short sentence.

I'd really like to see public acts as part of the sentencing since Canada is all about rehabilitation and short sentencing.

But do I think he feels guilty, no the cynical part of me figures that he felt bad that he was caught, but I also feel that he's laughing at the justice system over how gentle they were to him.

but we'll never know will we.

But the victim and her family certainly doesn't feel good about it and thats important.

[transplant99]

you can believe that the guilty person will feel bad everyday for the rest of their life, knowing that someone died as a result of them. How would you live with that thought?


And, also: not to defend the guilty person, but he was guilty of manslaughter

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Well here is an indication of how it made him feel" and his remorse for the incident.

"If it was a last hurrah I understand your motivation, but you motivation does not excuse the act," said McIntyre.

Dhuna, who appeared intoxicated in court, was arrested at 9:30 a.m. by homicide detectives, who had been tracking him after he failed to return home in time for a court-imposed curfew.

Police who serached the car in which Dhuna was a passenger found alcohol and marijuana.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

jury found Dhuna guilty on eight of 12 charges, including manslaughter, aggravated assault, assault with a weapon, assault causing bodily harm and hit and run

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

Regardless of the conviction, he was senetenced to 10 years for a reason. He intentionally plowed his van into a group of people. He served 3 in total and now is free to roam about the stereets even if its at a halfway house with curfews and such.

Its ridiculous.

[Locke]

Oh come now, who among us has never plowed a van into a room full of stragners??

Who I ask you?

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by transplant99

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Well here is an indication of how it made him feel" and his remorse for the incident.



http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

Regardless of the conviction, he was senetenced to 10 years for a reason. He intentionally plowed his van into a group of people. He served 3 in total and now is free to roam about the stereets even if its at a halfway house with curfews and such.

Its ridiculous.

I didn't know it was intentional... in that case, most of my points don't apply. What a scumbag.

[Joborule]

I'm actually a friend of the victim cousin, whom needless to say isn't very impressed with our justice system right now...

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

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Well here is an indication of how it made him feel" and his remorse for the incident.



http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...a1c767f5fe&k=0

Regardless of the conviction, he was senetenced to 10 years for a reason. He intentionally plowed his van into a group of people. He served 3 in total and now is free to roam about the stereets even if its at a halfway house with curfews and such.

Its ridiculous.

If it had been proven to be intentional we wouldn't be having this discussion, the inability to prove intent was instrumental in the manslaughter conviction as opposed to second degree murder.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by valo403

If it had been proven to be intentional we wouldn't be having this discussion, the inability to prove intent was instrumental in the manslaughter conviction as opposed to second degree murder.

From what I understand you're kind of correct.

Thoug the issue of inent isn't whether he intended to drive into the people, it was whether or not he inteded to kill them.

If he didn't intend to drive into them, he wouldn't have been charged with assault/agravated assault, probably just neglegence.

The fact that he intended to hurt them, rather than kill them, and things just went too far, is why it's manslaughter and not murder.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Canadian "justice" at its finest....example 4597940.

Is the US justice system any different? Honest question.