Famous abortionist killed on his way into church

[Displaced Flames fan]

http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/833730.html

Many have probably heard of this guy...Tiller the Killer ..as he's often referred to.

I am no fan of abortion, think it should be legal but restricted, but this only confirms my longstanding theory that pro-life activists are the scum of the earth.

Unbelievable.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Wow killed walking into church too.

Somebody needs to photo-edit one of those "Jesus Saves" signs into a "Jesus Kills (abortionists)" sign.

Thumbs down to religious fundamentalists.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Not really about religion. Most of these vocal pro-lifers aren't quoting bible verses. It's an emotional and moral issue more than a religious one.

[jeremywilhelm]

Pro-life Fundamentalists slogan "It's not ok to kill a baby, but it is ok to kill a man!"

what a bunch of hypocrites.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Not really about religion. Most of these vocal pro-lifers aren't quoting bible verses. It's an emotional and moral issue more than a religious one.

BS.

Only people I've met who are staunchly pro-life are also extremely religious. They get their stance on it straight from their religion. Doesn't matter if they're quoting Bible verses, you just have to ask them where they got their ideas and convictions about it from.

I dunno maybe it isn't as apparent living in the US where most people claim to be religious. But here in Canada I get the distinct impression that the vast majority of pro-lifers are religious. And the militant pro-lifers especially.

You can't separate the issue from religion, Christianity is the major reason why Abortion issues are framed like they are. It is an emotional issue because it deals with life and babies. Its a moral issue for sure. But a large percentage of the people in your country claim to get their morality from a single book. So to say that book has little effect on the debate would be to ignore the reality of the situation. If you claim your morality comes from God, from your religion then it will affect the issue. And if you believe God would punish those who abort, then its not a large leap to annoint yourself the executor of God's judgment upon those people.

The issue is inextricably tied into Christianity. I'm shocked you tried to claim otherwise.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Yep, I'm an idiot and I will defer to your infinite knowledge of American society. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some of you will dismiss the opinions of those who are actually close to a situtation. Ridiculous.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yep, I'm an idiot and I will defer to your infinite knowledge of American society. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some of you will dismiss the opinions of those who are actually close to a situtation. Ridiculous.

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If that was an attempt to prove to us how abortion has nothing to do with religion you failed. You made a very contraversial claim, I have called BS and now you don't appear to be willing to defend your claim.

You're "close" to the situation because you are geographically close to Kansas, is that what you're trying to say? Hey man, abortion is an issue all over North America, and I believe some Canadian doctors have been killed by anti-Abortionists as well. In that sense we're all "close" to the situation. Or were you referring to something else.

If you didn't want to have a conversation about this topic, perhaps you shouldn't have waded in?

[DFO]

Another example of how some people get so F'd up over a single work of fiction - and then contradict its message!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

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If that was an attempt to prove to us how abortion has nothing to do with religion you failed. You made a very contraversial claim, I have called BS and now you don't appear to be willing to defend your claim.

Yes, Dave, I failed.

Believe what you want. Canadians know everything about Americans. This isn't the first time I've dealt with this type of thing. It gets old.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

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If that was an attempt to prove to us how abortion has nothing to do with religion you failed. You made a very contraversial claim, I have called BS and now you don't appear to be willing to defend your claim.

You're "close" to the situation because you are geographically close to Kansas, is that what you're trying to say? Hey man, abortion is an issue all over North America, and I believe some Canadian doctors have been killed by anti-Abortionists as well. In that sense we're all "close" to the situation. Or were you referring to something else.

If you didn't want to have a conversation about this topic, perhaps you shouldn't have waded in?

I see abortion protests almost daily.

This is the most famous abortionist in the world, in all likelihood, and he works and lives in my city. The local news coverage of the events surrounding his practice is massive.

Yeah, I think I have a little insight into the situation that you might not. How horrible of me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes, Dave, I failed.

Believe what you want. Canadians know everything about Americans. This isn't the first time I've dealt with this type of thing. It gets old.

This doesn't have anything to do with Canadians knowing about Americans. Doctors have been killed in Canada for performing abortions as well. The difference between the two countries that I've pointed out is that more Americans claim to be religious. Was that false?

I'm interested in talking about how closely abortion and religion relate. I guess you aren't? I'm not really sure where this "you think you know everything about Americans BS" is coming from. Do you do that to anybody who disagrees with you who isn't from the States?

[Peanut]

I don't think anyone was claiming to be all-knowing about Americans. I read some generalizations about pro-lifers. Maybe American pro-lifers are different than Canadian pro-lifers. So be it.

Anyways, sad story about the doctor. I agree with jeremywilhelm that it seems beyond hypocritical to resort to killing people to try and prevent abortions and get your message heard.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I see abortion protests almost daily.

This is the most famous abortionist in the world, in all likelihood, and he works and lives in my city. The local news coverage of the events surrounding his practice is massive.

Yeah, I think I have a little insight into the situation that you might not. How horrible of me.

So seeing protests live (which I have seen as well) and local news coverage make you an expert the likes of which we can never hope to aspire to?

You might have a little more insight into this particular situation, I'll grant you that. We then started talking about the link between abortion and religion. We moved from the specific (this one incidence) to the much wider issue. Your insight into this particular doctor, in this particular town, does not make you an expert on the topic of the relation between abortion and religion in general, on the wider issue.

Quite frankly I'm not really sure where your attitude is coming from. Clearly I've said something offensive. I was interested in talking about religion and abortion. But you have quickly turned this into a "no one else can comment on this because they don't live here" stance.

WTF?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

This doesn't have anything to do with Canadians knowing about Americans. Doctors have been killed in Canada for performing abortions as well. The difference between the two countries that I've pointed out is that more Americans claim to be religious. Was that false?

I'm interested in talking about how closely abortion and religion relate. I guess you aren't? I'm not really sure where this "you think you know everything about Americans BS" is coming from. Do you do that to anybody who disagrees with you who isn't from the States?

Yes, this stems from your claim that most Americans claim to be religious. Religious is a very, very vague word. Was it defined specifically in any of these polls or in any study that you can cite? LIKELY NOT. So I dismiss them. Boy have I been hammered about that before.

By the logic you've used, there would be no pro-lifers who are not religious zealots...or did I misinterpret what you said?

Morality does not stem solely from religion. Sometimes, it doesn't stem from religion at all.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So seeing protests live (which I have seen as well) and local news coverage make you an expert the likes of which we can never hope to aspire to?

You might have a little more insight into this particular situation, I'll grant you that. We then started talking about the link between abortion and religion. We moved from the specific (this one incidence) to the much wider issue. Your insight into this particular doctor, in this particular town, does not make you an expert on the topic of the relation between abortion and religion in general, on the wider issue.

Quite frankly I'm not really sure where your attitude is coming from. Clearly I've said something offensive. I was interested in talking about religion and abortion. But you have quickly turned this into a "no one else can comment on this because they don't live here" stance.

WTF?

Maybe it was the first two letters of your second post.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes, this stems from your claim that most Americans claim to be religious. Religious is a very, very vague word. Was it defined specifically in any of these polls or in any study that you can cite? LIKELY NOT. So I dismiss them. Boy have I been hammered about that before.

By the logic you've used, there would be no pro-lifers who are not religious zealots...or did I misinterpret what you said?

Morality does not stem solely from religion. Sometimes, it doesn't stem from religion at all.

Morality in the sense that... pro-lifers have better/more morals than pro-choicers, regardless of religion?

I'm not sure what your point is.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Morality in the sense that... pro-lifers have better/more morals than pro-choicers, regardless of religion?

I'm not sure what your point is.

Morality in general.

How have you come to the conclusion that I'm a pro-lifer?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Morality in general.

How have you come to the conclusion that I'm a pro-lifer?

How have you come to the conclusion that I've come to that conclusion?

I was just clarifying what you meant by "morality stemming from other places than religion", given that you're arguing there are plenty of pro-lifers who are not religious. So it kind of seemed like you were saying that non-religious pro-lifers were getting their "morals" from somewhere else. That's all.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Peanut

How have you come to the conclusion that I've come to that conclusion?

I was just clarifying what you meant by "morality stemming from other places than religion", given that you're arguing there are plenty of pro-lifers who are not religious. So it kind of seemed like you were saying that non-religious pro-lifers were getting their "morals" from somewhere else. That's all.

Ok..I misunderstood you then.

That is what I'm saying. Morality isn't borne solely of religion (thank God (pun intended)). My moral code isn't based on religion at all. I don't think because someone believes it is wrong to kill that it can be assumed they are religious.

That's what I was getting at.

[CrusaderPi]

Abortion debates are fun!

Anyway, when you live by the vacuum you die by the vacuum.