RTS games

[Flames0910]

I've recently started playing AoE3 and Rise of Nations again...seems like real time strategy is a dying genre though. Is it because they're too expensive to develop or because they don't transfer well to consoles? Discuss

SC2 in 2010 though, can't wait!

[Rathji]

I am far to ADD to play RTS gam... hey look at those blinking lights.

[Yeah_Baby]

There was a phase when all I played was a RTS games. I would venture to guess they're demise has to do with their portability to consoles.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Yeah, but think of the days you've gained back in your life.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

I've never liked RTS games... but I found a different sort of RTS that I have totally gotten into. It's called Heroes of Newerth, and is based on the popular Warcraft 3 mod "DotA". Check it out!

[GoinAllTheWay]

Only good RTS atm is Company of Heroes IMO. One of the best all time that I ever played had to be The Moon Project. Wow that was a game, HUGE maps, tons of units you could build, tons of upgrades. Best thing about the game was each faction didn't get 10 or so vehicles with upgrades you could research instead you would research the chassis and weapons independantley and create almost any unit you wanted.

If anyone knows of a current RTS that is similar to The Moon Project, I would love to hear about it.

[burn_this_city]

I havent played an RTS since Starcraft.. After playing that game there wasnt anything even close in quality. Every game either lacked balance or was a poor concept overall.

[DrJ]

League of Legends is also really fun. Spin off DotA and not like HoN which is a direct rip of DotA with more features.

[Esoteric]

I think that the RTS genre doesn't do well is because they don't appeal to a wide enough audience. I know some games, like Starcraft and Warcraft, have broken into more casuals players, but a lot of times these games take too much time and are too in depth for most people.

I don't play them because I find them incredibly boring, and I hate to Micromanage everything.

[GreenLantern]

I like RTS games. I was a big fan of the LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth games. The only problem is that EA is a terrible company and their online play was just a huge head ache. It would literally take up to a hour to finally get a 4 man match to load... and then usually someone would get booted 30 minutes in because of stability issues.

That experience turned me off from RTS for a while.. might be better now though. I will be playing SC2 for sure.

[Deegee]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I havent played an RTS since Starcraft.. After playing that game there wasnt anything even close in quality. Every game either lacked balance or was a poor concept overall.

Quoted for truth.

In fact, I don't know how you can not agree with this comment if you have ever played Brood War (SC EXP) at a semi competetive level.

Fact is, for me, StarCraft ruined the RTS genre because I couldn't play an RTS without thinking "isn't as good as StarCraft".

War3 was a good attempt, and was enjoyable because of it's match making system, but in the end it didn't even come closs to what StarCraft had to offer.

Here's hoping StarCraft II is even close to what StarCraft was.

[sa226]

[quote=GoinAllTheWay;2155226]Only good RTS atm is Company of Heroes IMO.


Ya thats a great game. Best combination of realism and strategy.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Deegee

Quoted for truth.

In fact, I don't know how you can not agree with this comment if you have ever played Brood War (SC EXP) at a semi competetive level.

Fact is, for me, StarCraft ruined the RTS genre because I couldn't play an RTS without thinking "isn't as good as StarCraft".

War3 was a good attempt, and was enjoyable because of it's match making system, but in the end it didn't even come closs to what StarCraft had to offer.

Here's hoping StarCraft II is even close to what StarCraft was.

Warcraft 3 had so much promise until they introduced the heros which made the game unplayable online. I was a huge Brood War junky for years. 2v2 Lost Temple

[Regorium]

RTS's are too complex by definition. There's so much to think about in a single game: resource management, base management, units, scouting, positions. Then you have the twitch component, which is the micromanagement within the battle itself. Compare it with an FPS, seemingly the most popular type of game, where you only need to know the map, and the rest is completely twitch reactions and aiming, no thinking at all.

What was wrong with War 3's hero concept? I thought it was pretty nifty and added a new dimension.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Regorium

RTS's are too complex by definition. There's so much to think about in a single game: resource management, base management, units, scouting, positions. Then you have the twitch component, which is the micromanagement within the battle itself. Compare it with an FPS, seemingly the most popular type of game, where you only need to know the map, and the rest is completely twitch reactions and aiming, no thinking at all.

What was wrong with War 3's hero concept? I thought it was pretty nifty and added a new dimension.

It made everything you talked about secondary to running around the map and hitting lucky upgrades for your hero. No matter how well you managed everything it boiled down to who had the superior hero. It was stupid and poorly planned. I pray that SC2 skips that aspect of the game.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Regorium

There's so much to think about in a single game: resource management, base management, units, scouting, positions. .

But..for the people that do enjoy a RTS, those are the appeals of the game. Building up resources, planning your defence, deciding how you are going to attack the enemy base, longe range offense/defence.....AWESOME stuff.

I LOVE FPS, play tons of them but pretty sure I could burn more time playing a RTS in one sitting. It has to be the right one but man, I have burnt entire evenings playing a RTS only stopping when I realize I have to pee like a race horse or the fact that it's like 3AM and I should get my ass into bed.

[QuadCityImages]

I'll agree with both people above who mentioned it: Companies of Heroes is definitely worth playing. Multiplayer is fun, and the single player campaign is great.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by DrJ

League of Legends is also really fun. Spin off DotA and not like HoN which is a direct rip of DotA with more features.

Yeah...

Except LoL totally SUCKS. HoN is so much better, even if it is a standalone rip (to be fair, they got the DotA creator's permission before they made HoN).

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame

Yeah...

Except LoL totally SUCKS. HoN is so much better, even if it is a standalone rip (to be fair, they got the DotA creator's permission before they made HoN).

Not to rag on you specifically, but I hate how many bloody acronyms are out there, especially when it comes to gaming. What, can't type a name so everyone can know which games you are talking about?

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Regorium

RTS's are too complex by definition. There's so much to think about in a single game: resource management, base management, units, scouting, positions. Then you have the twitch component, which is the micromanagement within the battle itself. Compare it with an FPS, seemingly the most popular type of game, where you only need to know the map, and the rest is completely twitch reactions and aiming, no thinking at all.

that's kinda the point lol. complexity makes games a helluva lot more interesting and adds replay value.

this is overgeneralizing but if you've seen one fps you've seen them all. the graphics keep improving and there are minor gameplay elements, but because twitch reactions are so important you're basically playing whackamole in 3d