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Old 10-23-2009, 08:31 PM   #1
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If he did it, what form of punishment should this guy get?
Jail or death would be an easy way out for this guy.
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Don't these type of offenders get what's coming to them IN jail?
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Anyone else notice the "how is babby formed" reference in the comments section?
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I hate to blame the mother, but your baby is four months old and you're engaged to someone who is not the father of the baby... smart life choices.

Truly awful.
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This makes me so mad, especially with our own little boy now. I just don't get how someone could do that to a little child.
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I hate to blame the mother, but your baby is four months old and you're engaged to someone who is not the father of the baby... smart life choices.

Truly awful.
I don't know how you can really blame the mother except her lack of judgment of finding a mate. It's a hard time in a woman's life to raise a child all by her self... there's nothing wrong with seeking help from someone else. It's just too bad that someone else turned out to be a psychopath.
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Don't these type of offenders get what's coming to them IN jail?
One of my customers is a corrections officer, and I asked her about this. Unfortunately, in Canada, our pussified prison system segregates most of these guys to protect them. Don't forget we had a party in power in this country that essentially determined that child porn was art.

But in the US, they don't give them the liberal treatment and in many cases guards will actually 'tip off' some of the more dangerous inmates of a child molestor/child killers past. There is not a lot of things I like about the US, but the way they treat their violent offenders is far superior to what we do here. I personally don't believe any killer, rapist, or molester deserves any protection. The worse they suffer in jail, the better.
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I hate to blame the mother, but your baby is four months old and you're engaged to someone who is not the father of the baby... smart life choices.

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Really?? I think she's likely suffering enough. People don't need to blame her because this guy was a sicko. Lots of sickos, pedo's, etc., are "normal", some are even married and by all accounts stand-up spouses/parent's etc... they just manage to go undetected somehow until it's too late.
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But in the US, they don't give them the liberal treatment and in many cases guards will actually 'tip off' some of the more dangerous inmates of a child molestor/child killers past. There is not a lot of things I like about the US, but the way they treat their violent offenders is far superior to what we do here. I personally don't believe any killer, rapist, or molester deserves any protection. The worse they suffer in jail, the better.
This actually horrifies me. That approach is awfully violent in itself.
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This actually horrifies me. That approach is awfully violent in itself.
Child molesters / killers are the absolute scum of the earth. They have no other motive than to fulfill their own selfish desires by devastating the life of an innocent child. I don't care if they did it because of a mental disorder, previous abuse, or because god told them to. The second you make a decision like that, you have given up your rights to fair treatment in my opinion. If Tyrone the hardened gang member decides to crush one of these sickos skull in the joint, he has done society a favour since most of this guys are at the top of the re-offenders list. A gang member usually kills because of an agenda, and it is usually "business" motivated. Anyone who chooses that lifestyle knows the risk, and in most instances, it is bad people, killing other bad people. They could lock these freaks in a room full of gang bangers on the brink of starvation for all I care.
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I hate to blame the mother, but your baby is four months old and you're engaged to someone who is not the father of the baby... smart life choices.

Truly awful.
Blaming the mother for her 'life choices' really irked me. Maybe the 'father' of the child left her stranded and pregnant! You don't know the story. I get so mad when people judge like this. It's so self-righteous to judge others. There is a really good saying I read the other day: Judging others gives you less time to love them
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Child molesters / killers are the absolute scum of the earth. They have no other motive than to fulfill their own selfish desires by devastating the life of an innocent child. I don't care if they did it because of a mental disorder, previous abuse, or because god told them to. The second you make a decision like that, you have given up your rights to fair treatment in my opinion. If Tyrone the hardened gang member decides to crush one of these sickos skull in the joint, he has done society a favour since most of this guys are at the top of the re-offenders list. A gang member usually kills because of an agenda, and it is usually "business" motivated. Anyone who chooses that lifestyle knows the risk, and in most instances, it is bad people, killing other bad people. They could lock these freaks in a room full of gang bangers on the brink of starvation for all I care.
I continue to find this viewpoint a little twisted. I suspect we ought to just agree to disagree. I think there is little common ground on this.
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Ahh man, as the father of a 5 month old, that just gives me the shivers...

I dont understand how anyone could do something like that...
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I hate to blame the mother, but your baby is four months old and you're engaged to someone who is not the father of the baby... smart life choices.

Truly awful.
We've seen this exact scenario end in the death of a baby 3 times this year here in Wichita.

Babies having babies.
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You will when you have a 3 year old who is being stubborn.
Funny, my other daughter just turned 3 yesterday....
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There is often sympathy shown to the crazy post partum moms that kill their children. In this case they have not determined if he had intent. If he didn't have intent I don't think he deserves the same treatment as the resdident pedophiles.

Shaken Babies are unfortuanately quite common
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Child molesters / killers are the absolute scum of the earth. They have no other motive than to fulfill their own selfish desires by devastating the life of an innocent child. I don't care if they did it because of a mental disorder, previous abuse, or because god told them to. The second you make a decision like that, you have given up your rights to fair treatment in my opinion. If Tyrone the hardened gang member decides to crush one of these sickos skull in the joint, he has done society a favour since most of this guys are at the top of the re-offenders list. A gang member usually kills because of an agenda, and it is usually "business" motivated. Anyone who chooses that lifestyle knows the risk, and in most instances, it is bad people, killing other bad people. They could lock these freaks in a room full of gang bangers on the brink of starvation for all I care.
Yeah, innocent victims of gang violence are completely unheard of
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Blaming the mother for her 'life choices' really irked me. Maybe the 'father' of the child left her stranded and pregnant! You don't know the story. I get so mad when people judge like this. It's so self-righteous to judge others. There is a really good saying I read the other day: Judging others gives you less time to love them
Love the sinner, hate the sin.

It really irks me that people no longer take responsibiliy for their own actions anymore.
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It really irks me that people no longer take responsibiliy for their own actions anymore.
You have no knowledge about the situation other than has been reported in the newspaper. You are making emotional statements and are not supporting them with evidence or logic, therefore your argument has no credibility.
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You have no knowledge about the situation other than has been reported in the newspaper. You are making emotional statements and are not supporting them with evidence or logic, therefore your argument has no credibility.
Well, I was responding to another poster's post. Her response was also emotional and as such, it's not a 'logical' discussion.

If you want to have a logical discussions... A little research into the issue tells me the mother is 23 years old and has a now 7 year old little girl in addition to the baby which would be two and a half now. The person she was engaged to was the father of neither, although I'm not sure whether or not the children had the same father...

It's not rocket science.

I'm not blaming her for the death of her child. In theory, anyone can wind up with a psycho. Her situation, (young mother of two from two different men, engaged to a third,) strongly suggests that a lifestyle change may have resulted in a different outcome for both mother and child.

The good news is that she has gone back to school and is working to change her life. It's a sad story for sure, and I can only hope that she continues on a better path than the one she was on.
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