While we argue in America about rights for gay marriage, most states support civil rights for gay couples and give them similar if not equal equality to married heterosexual couples.
But in Ireland, a modern and western democracy thats not even on the table, and this is the best video to argue against it I could have imagined.
The added shame of the Vatican (probably why the Catholic church is losing more members than any other denomination) voting against the UN rights charter to stop the outlawing of gay anal sex, apparently the vatican thinks people should goto jail for them being born gay.
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According to the Catholic Church, homosexuality is not a sin but homosexual acts are. Last night the Vatican's spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, made a statement to the Italian wire agency Ansa saying that Monsignor's Migliore's replies had to be read in full. Obviously "the Vatican does not want to defend the death penalty as some would like to make people think,” said Lombardi.
Citing the catechism of the Catholic Church, he said that "the church is opposed to the death penalty as it is to any criminal and violent legislation regarding homosexuals." However, he insisted that this proposal was political and would single out homosexuality and lead to reverse discrimination against traditional heterosexual marriage.
Lombardi also pointed out that "fewer than 50 countries have signed the U.N. proposal; 150 have not. The Holy See is not alone in disapproving it. "
Once upon a time Catholics could not marry anyone outside their own religion. Now it's no big deal.
Heck my parents, while both Christian, aren't of the same religion (one Catholic, one United) and as a child I clearly remember saying to a friend of mine "both your parents are of the same religion? That's weird!" To me it was normal that on Sunday mornings we got ready for church and dad went to one church, and mom to the one next to it. Now I know just how rare that must have been 30 years ago. Now it's not even a question when people get married. When I go to a wedding the thought never crosses my mind if both parties are of the same faith.
I'm sure this was the same way against mixed race marriage (again there's lots of that in my familiy so it seems perfectly normal. I had no idea that having Asian cousins was weird).
Someday, and we're not there yet, but someday, people will think the same way about gay marriage. People will look back and think how could you be so against something?
I've heard that the bloodiest war the Americans fought was the Civil War. Slavery? Now the idea is so foolish that it's never given a second thought.
Someday, not today, but I'm certain someday.
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I have many gay and straight friends, I could care less about gay marriage, and I could care less about straight marriage. And I will care less until the day we solve some of the larger problems our world is facing. We have pollution issues, people sleeping on our streets, armed gangs shooting up our streets, massive taxes, children too poor to eat well enough, and whole load of other problems.
Do we think for a second the politicians are trying to distract us with issues like gay marriage? That problem certainly is not on my priority list. I am insulted it was not fixed in a day (simple legalization), but even more insulted that we keep bashing away at it. I doubt we can solve all problems at once; we should stick to one and come up with something good.
Ireland might be a lot of things but a modern democracy it is not. It's about 20 years behind the rest of Europe thanks to the CC but is slowly catching up over generations.
Consider that it took them until the mid 90s to pass a divorce law and it took a U2 supported court case in 1991 to allow condoms to be sold in Virgin megastores when Aids was coming to the forefront. Not to mention that where parents did split up the child always went to the mother regardless of the facts that she might be a nutjob who abused her children whilst the father was the more stable one (case in point Sinead O'Connor).
Was there about 3 weeks ago. Catholic church still has its grubby little hands stuck into affairs that are none of its business. The grip is loosening though over generations.
Great ad, Realistically and sadly though, I can't see this getting the popular people's vote to pass.
Ireland might be a lot of things but a modern democracy it is not. It's about 20 years behind the rest of Europe thanks to the CC but is slowly catching up over generations.
Consider that it took them until the mid 90s to pass a divorce law and it took a U2 supported court case in 1991 to allow condoms to be sold in Virgin megastores when Aids was coming to the forefront. Not to mention that where parents did split up the child always went to the mother regardless of the facts that she might be a nutjob who abused her children whilst the father was the more stable one (case in point Sinead O'Connor).
Was there about 3 weeks ago. Catholic church still has its grubby little hands stuck into affairs that are none of its business. The grip is loosening though over generations.
Great ad, Realistically and sadly though, I can't see this getting the popular people's vote to pass.
Thats true, and they've done pretty well catching up on some fronts, however isn't Ireland the place where they've curtailed freedom of speech when it comes to offending religion?
Thats true, and they've done pretty well catching up on some fronts, however isn't Ireland the place where they've curtailed freedom of speech when it comes to offending religion?
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The newly-installed president of the United Nations General Assembly, Ali Abdussalam Treki, has said that homosexuality is "not really acceptable".
Treki, who is the Libyan secretary of African Union Affairs, opened the 64th session of the United Nations General Assembly Friday with a press conference.
One question concerned the UN resolution which calls for the universal decriminalisation of homosexuality.
In reply, Treki said: "That matter is very sensitive, very touchy. As a Muslim, I am not in favour of it . . . it is not accepted by the majority of countries. My opinion is not in favour of this matter at all. I think it's not really acceptable by our religion, our tradition.
“It is not acceptable in the majority of the world. And there are some countries that allow that, thinking it is a kind of democracy . . . I think it is not,” he added.
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If you visit Ireland after October, you'd better watch what you say about God.
A blasphemous slip of the tongue could cost you 25,000 euros under revamped legislation that will soon be signed into law.
Blasphemy is an act of challenging or offending a religious belief.
In recent years, western countries such as England have been taking blasphemy laws off the books, or changing their focus so that they cover hate-related crimes in general. Ireland has taken a different approach, updating its legislation but maintaining a focus on religion.
Ireland fights for basic human rights..
