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Dr GonZo · 08-13-2009, 07:39 PM

Damn those Eagles.

I, for one, am absolutely disgusted they let him back in the NFL. I think it's a disgrace to athletic professionalism and societal tolerance that after having 'invested' the money he earned in games of such horror, he gets the chance to do it all over again.

Does everyone deserve a second chance? It reminds me of Heatley and his dramatic car crash, but that was an accident (albeit a stupid one). Vick's ring of canine terror was organized and funded by his exorbitant earnings as a pro athlete. What image does this send to the world? As all as you're good you can pretty much do anything you want with little punishment? Just because he received and sat out his jailtime, doesn't mean his slate is clean. If I run a dog fighting ring, I don't need to expect to get my job back after I've gone to jail for it.

I for one will boycott anything Eagles related, and hope the organization will get pressured heavily by the pubilc and their fans.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 08-13-2009, 07:44 PM

Okay, I'm no fan of Michael Vick, but why should he be any different than anyone else?
The guy did his time, and it cost him A LOT of money. He's served his sentence. Why should he not be able to go back to making a living doing what he does best? Everybody else who serves their time is permitted to try to get gainful employment, why not Vick?

That being said, I have no problem with the NFL saying it's okay for him to come back, but I can't belive any team would actually give him a contract. I certainly wouldn't if I was a GM.

ResAlien · 08-13-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr GonZo

Damn those Eagles.

I, for one, am absolutely disgusted they let him back in the NFL. I think it's a disgrace to athletic professionalism and societal tolerance that after having 'invested' the money he earned in games of such horror, he gets the chance to do it all over again.

Does everyone deserve a second chance? It reminds me of Heatley and his dramatic car crash, but that was an accident (albeit a stupid one). Vick's ring of canine terror was organized and funded by his exorbitant earnings as a pro athlete. What image does this send to the world? As all as you're good you can pretty much do anything you want with little punishment? Just because he received and sat out his jailtime, doesn't mean his slate is clean. If I run a dog fighting ring, I don't need to expect to get my job back after I've gone to jail for it.

I for one will boycott anything Eagles related, and hope the organization will get pressured heavily by the pubilc and their fans.

Other than calling the FATA that I had this in another thread... Really?

Dude, Ray Lewis is still playing, and he stabbed a guy, murder style. Leonard Little murdered a woman, on his SECOND Dui offence, and Stallworth just got one year for mowing down a guy. Brandon Marshall beats women, and at worst he's getting 4 games. The NFL is a cash business. Vick is a big name, he's done a couple years in jail, why can't he play again?

Edit: I'm drunk and my argument skills are crap, please try to understand my point.

HOOT · 08-13-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr GonZo

Just because he received and sat out his jailtime, doesn't mean his slate is clean. If I run a dog fighting ring, I don't need to expect to get my job back after I've gone to jail for it.

If you were within the top 50 people within your profession in the world, then I bet you would have no problem getting your job back.

moon · 08-13-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Okay, I'm no fan of Michael Vick, but why should he be any different than anyone else?
The guy did his time, and it cost him A LOT of money. He's served his sentence. Why should he not be able to go back to making a living doing what he does best? Everybody else who serves their time is permitted to try to get gainful employment, why not Vick?

I don't think that he should be barred from playing in the NFL, but I think there are plenty of companies that wouldn't consider hiring a guy with Vick's past so I don't think the NFL would be totally out of line for doing the same.

If I left my last job for two years to go to jail for dogfighting I wouldn't be welcome back at my job. Not sure why Vick should be any different just because he can play football.

My biggest concern if I were an NFL team would be his on the field issues not his off field issues. He was a bad passer who relied on his physical abilities when in his prime. Now with time off it is doubtful that he can read a defense and his ability to run around is going to be worse than it was before.

As I said before I don't want Vick on my team, but not because he killed dogs its because he is overrated as a QB and not a guy that is going to make a team better.

Incogneto · 08-13-2009, 11:09 PM

He would have been better off mowing down a person in his car. no one would even care about that.

its sad that in this world, people care more about innocent dogs than they do about innocent people.

Pagal4321 · 08-13-2009, 11:28 PM

Wow, this isn't what I expected to find in here. I can't wait to see rube's reaction to all of this.

That being said, Vick did his time and he pretty much lost everything in the process. I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to come back to the NFL.
People are comparing themselves to professional athletes now? That's a pretty far stretch, Vick's not going to get his old job back...that would have been the job of a starting QB for the Atlanta Falcons while playing with a 10 year, $130 million deal with over $35 million guaranteed. You think he'll ever get that back? No.

Let the mediocre QB/glorified RB try to resurrect his career and turn his life around.

Killers, drug dealers and wife beaters play in the NFL every week, it's a sad state of affairs when the public turns a blind eye to this but is in outrage over dogs.

moon · 08-13-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

He would have been better off mowing down a person in his car. no one would even care about that.

its sad that in this world, people care more about innocent dogs than they do about innocent people.

Considering he is a nobody, people kicked Dante Stallworth around quite a bit after his actions and his suspension for a lot longer than Vick's.

Had a high profile guy like Vick did what Stallworth did I expect he would have gotten a lot more flack than he has.

Look at OJ, outside of the black community, he has been hated for what he did. I wouldn't say that Vick got an easier ride than he did or that people felt more for the dogs than they did for Nicole Brown or Ron Goldman.

In this case it is the person not the action that gets everyone worked up more than anything.

howard_the_duck · 08-13-2009, 11:50 PM

So apparently the Eagles are going to run some wildcat? Clearly Donovan is the guy still, there is no controversy.

I have absolutely no idea where he fits in. The Eagles are stacked at WR, so even in wildcat formations they are full of playmakers as is (Jackson, Maclin, Curtis, Westbrook). I'm intrigued that McNabb "lobbied" to get him there, because I would think if Donovan goes down it'd be Vick stepping in as his replacement.

Puzzling move, and totally against the Eagles FO motto, but I'm really excited by it.

moon · 08-13-2009, 11:53 PM

The Wildcat may be the trendy thing to do now but it seemed to work much better at the start of the season when nobody had seen it/prepared for it then it did near the end of the season.

I didn't watch the Dolphins religiously last year but I remember a number of times that I did that the wildcat got stuffed easily.

I have a hard time believing that with the defenses and players that NFL teams have now putting in a guy that can run and only run at QB is really going to be that effective long term.

If I am an Eagles opponent I am hoping that they put Vick in early and often.

Sylvanfan · 08-14-2009, 12:02 AM

2 years out of football is no insignificant amount. He had a lot of hype around him when he did play, and his passing numbers were borderline bad. But as a starter he won a lot of games and did bring a dimension to the game that no other QB did with his running ability. You don't win 38 of 67 starts and 2 out of 4 playoff game if you are a bad quarterback in the NFL. I guess we'll see how much the time off affected him, and the circus like atmosphere he'll create anywhere he goes.

rubecube · 08-14-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Wow, this isn't what I expected to find in here. I can't wait to see rube's reaction to all of this.

I'm a little torn. As an Eagles fan, I see this as a no-lose situation. He's only on a one-year contract, with a team option to pick up the second year. If he works out, then great. If not, let him go after this season.

Now as someone who has spent his entire life growing up and living with dogs, I think Vick is a disgusting human being. What he did was absolutely reprehensible.

All that being said, I think he deserves a second chance. He did his time, and was by all accounts a model citizen during his confinement. If the Goodell thinks he's worthy of reinstatement, and Tony Dungy is keeping a close eye on him, then who am I to say he hasn't changed or isn't remorseful?

Dr GonZo · 08-14-2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HOOT

If you were within the top 50 people within your profession in the world, then I bet you would have no problem getting your job back.

Who says I'm not? :P

transplant99 · 08-14-2009, 07:31 AM

Interesting destination for sure. McNabb himself was lobbying Reid and the front office for this to happen.

I will take a wait and see attitude as to whether it means much of anything. The guy hasn't put on pads in 2 full years now, and the rust will be palpable.

His one advantage is that he can practice starting tomorrow with the club...even though its unlikely he will be re-instated to play in games until week 7 against the redskins (MNF BTW). This should allow Reid to implement formations that will have Vick lining up in the backfield in wildcat or wishbone formations and allow Vick to learn where to be as a receiver in a WC offense and in gadget plays. This is something i could see working for the Eagles, and why i wasn't completely opposed to him joining the Pack (from a football perspective only).

One thing is certain though...the microscope he will be under from here on out will be like nothing he has ever experienced, and judging by his character of years past, may see him imploding himself. I still think under all of the stuff he has said/done/implied to make him self appear as a better person and remorseful, he is still nothing more than a street thug...something most of these type of guys never can shake.

burn_baby_burn · 08-14-2009, 08:30 AM

Personally I feel he should have been banned for life. Not because of the cruelty to animals, but because of the criminal eliminate that he associated himself with when he was involved in the dog fighting ring. The sole purpose of dog fighting is to provide a venue for illegal gambling. If Vick is buddies and even business partners with members of organized crime? How do we know that he won't be involved in point shaving or some other sort of illegal gambling activity involving the NFL? The guy is in a world of financial hurt after all. I think Vick needs the NFL a lot more than the NFL needs Vick.

The Wildcat formation is the most overrated thing in the NFL, besides maybe Vick himself. The only time it was ever effective was when the Dolphins crushed the Patriots early last season. Since then it hasn't fooled anybody and the teams that do use it. Only use it for a hand full of plays.

Pagal4321 · 08-14-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Personally I feel he should have been banned for life. Not because of the cruelty to animals, but because of the criminal eliminate that he associated himself with when he was involved in the dog fighting ring. The sole purpose of dog fighting is to provide a venue for illegal gambling. If Vick is buddies and even business partners with members of organized crime? How do we know that he won't be involved in point shaving or some other sort of illegal gambling activity involving the NFL? The guy is in a world of financial hurt after all. I think Vick needs the NFL a lot more than the NFL needs Vick.

The Wildcat formation is the most overrated thing in the NFL, besides maybe Vick himself. The only time it was ever effective was when the Dolphins crushed the Patriots early last season. Since then it hasn't fooled anybody and the teams that do use it. Only use it for a hand full of plays.

While the common person can come to that conclusion, it's a dangerous game if the NFL starts to try and piece things together based solely on conjecture like that.

While what he did was reprehensible, he deserves a second chance, and so far seems like he might have turned a corner. It doesn't hurt that Tony Dungy is also backing him....

Bring_Back_Shantz · 08-14-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

2 years out of football is no insignificant amount. He had a lot of hype around him when he did play, and his passing numbers were borderline bad. But as a starter he won a lot of games and did bring a dimension to the game that no other QB did with his running ability. You don't win 38 of 67 starts and 2 out of 4 playoff game if you are a bad quarterback in the NFL. I guess we'll see how much the time off affected him, and the circus like atmosphere he'll create anywhere he goes.

To be fair you don't win 56% of your games if you are a good quarterback.

The guy is slightly better than average as far as QB's go.

Sylvanfan · 08-14-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

To be fair you don't win 56% of your games if you are a good quarterback.

The guy is slightly better than average as far as QB's go.

Sure, but at any time the NFL only has about 10-15 guys who you could rate as high as good compared to the rest of the field. 32 teams need at least 1 QB, and most teams need a second guy for a game or two or more every season. So theres a lot of demand for average QB's, let alone above average.

HOOT · 08-14-2009, 10:58 AM

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Who says I'm not? :P

Not saying you aren't. But if you are and you go to jail I almost bet your job is still there.

Canuck-Hater · 08-14-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ResAlien

Other than calling the FATA that I had this in another thread... Really?

Dude, Ray Lewis is still playing, and he stabbed a guy, murder style. Leonard Little murdered a woman, on his SECOND Dui offence, and Stallworth just got one year for mowing down a guy. Brandon Marshall beats women, and at worst he's getting 4 games. The NFL is a cash business. Vick is a big name, he's done a couple years in jail, why can't he play again?

Edit: I'm drunk and my argument skills are crap, please try to understand my point.

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