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Old 09-27-2009, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default Fake blood in Rugby.

A bit of old news and didn't see it posted but 'apparently' there's quite a bit of this that has been going on. This one seems to hit the headlines with the player getting suspended and the team doctor suspended from the medical council in the UK for cutting his lip afterwards with a scalpel to try and cover up the fake injury.

Starts at 0:30, analysis at 2:50 and you can see him reaching into his socks for the blood capsule and putting it in his mouth at 3:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppwVqvTipU

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The doctor at the centre of the “Bloodgate” scandal at Harlequins has been suspended from practising medicine pending further investigations into her conduct. Wendy Chapman, a hospital consultant, has been forbidden by the General Medical Council (GMC) from working as a doctor amid allegations that she deliberately cut the lip of Tom Williams, the Harlequins wing, with a scalpel in order to cover up his attempt to fake an injury using a capsule of red theatrical dye.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6837584.ece

Not sure of the rules but it looks like some substitutions are specifically allowed for blood injuries.
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:00 PM   #2
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:04 PM   #3
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Yeah, rugby has a provision for blood subs. Just like in soccer or hockey, you are not allowed on the field or ice if you are bleeding or have blood on clothing.
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Yeah, rugby has a provision for blood subs. Just like in soccer or hockey, you are not allowed on the field or ice if you are bleeding or have blood on clothing.
What makes blood subs in rugby significant, and why it's an issue here, is that the bleeding player can be replaced by a fresh sub from the bench and then re-enter the game once they are cleaned up. It can be a pretty big advantage to have a fresh guy on the field or have an important player get a few minutes of rest without the sub being permanent, as any other sub is.

I'm 99% certain that there is no such thing as a blood substitution in soccer, at least not at the professional level. The team with the bleeding player either plays down a man until the guy is cleaned up or they make a sub that is permanent.
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I'm 99% certain that there is no such thing as a blood substitution in soccer, at least not at the professional level. The team with the bleeding player either plays down a man until the guy is cleaned up or they make a sub that is permanent.
You're right, there is no blood sub in soccer at any level. The player must leave the pitch immediately and be cleaned up while his team plays a man down. If he's too hurt to come back on, they must sub someone on in his place; if they've already used all three subs, then the team plays a man down. You're not allowed to wear any clothing with blood on it, even if you're cleaned up yourself, which is why some players wind up wearing weird numbers with no name on the back sometimes.
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You're right, there is no blood sub in soccer at any level. The player must leave the pitch immediately and be cleaned up while his team plays a man down. If he's too hurt to come back on, they must sub someone on in his place; if they've already used all three subs, then the team plays a man down. You're not allowed to wear any clothing with blood on it, even if you're cleaned up yourself, which is why some players wind up wearing weird numbers with no name on the back sometimes.
Or use a staple gun.

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Old 09-29-2009, 12:38 PM   #7
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What makes blood subs in rugby significant, and why it's an issue here, is that the bleeding player can be replaced by a fresh sub from the bench and then re-enter the game once they are cleaned up. It can be a pretty big advantage to have a fresh guy on the field or have an important player get a few minutes of rest without the sub being permanent, as any other sub is.

I'm 99% certain that there is no such thing as a blood substitution in soccer, at least not at the professional level. The team with the bleeding player either plays down a man until the guy is cleaned up or they make a sub that is permanent.

The issue here wasn't one of resting the player who came on, it was getting a previously subbed off player back onto the pitch.

The standoff for the Harlequins had hurt his knee previously, and got taped up, and then they pulled the fake blood to get him back on to try a game winning drop goal (that he missed). They lost so it's somewhat moot, but that doesn't excuse cheating.
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