Pit-bulls to be banned

[Patek23]

I've actually been attacked by a pitbull and blame it on the owner. I would never have a dog put down. I can tell you exactly the reason why it's mostly the pitbulls,rottweilers and dobermans, Most people buy these dogs because they have a "tough" persona and want guard dogs. Now in every owners tenure of having a dog 99/100 have had they're dog run away before, now when these guard dogs run away and see people they get protective of their territory, most people who get attacked wether they admit it or not have tried to walk up to the dog and pet it thinking that if they handle the situation "properly" they won't get bit, but there are the few cases normally when the person is afraid of dogs and runs away bad desicion these dogs that get away are trained guard dogs so they attack anyone who isn't introduced to them or family. What they should do is when people buy dogs they should have a special guard dog liscence and make sure these people have min. 6 foot fences, beware of dog signs and make sure that they can keep good care of the dog.

[Cheese]

Real tuff issue.
I had to live thru an issue years ago where the guy who lived in a basement suite below me had a Pitbull. Unfortunately the dog was NOT well trained in the nice way. Needless to say the guy wasnt either, so they were a match made in heaven. I had the cops over a number of times, and was threatened with this dog a few times. Nasty nasty nasty...I say ban them because we cant seem to find a way to ensure that the people who buy them are responsible enough to train them to be well behaved.
I actually saw a program on TV last week, hosted by Matt Dunigan of all people, on this very type of thing. The 10 worst dogs in the world, an interesting show.

[Agamemnon]

Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I know 'you' will).

I heard once that certain breeds of dog were specifically bred for hunting/fighting. They'd be trained by biting through flavoured sacks with (ugh) live kittens in them to get them used to (and savouring) the taste of blood.

Could 'violent' training through thousands of generations have created a dog more likely to 'turn'? I'd assume that might be true, given that we seem to have domesticated dogs, instilling some non-'wild' elements into their character.

Are pitbulls a little wild? Generational memory?

[Displaced Flames fan]

It's always fun doing my job where people let their pit bulls run around unrestrained.

[JiriHrdina]

My opinion is simple. There have been far too many incidences with this type of dog. Yes - any dog can be a problem but the odds seem to rise dramtically with pitbulls.

I'm a huge animal lover but ban them.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by fotze+Jan 24 2005, 08:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jan 24 2005, 08:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JiriHrdina@Jan 24 2005, 07:31 PM
My opinion is simple. There have been far too many incidences with this type of dog. Yes - any dog can be a problem but the odds seem to rise dramtically with pitbulls.

I'm a huge animal lover but ban them.

To take it to an extreme example, what if all of a sudden there was a rash of home invasion robberies commited by french people. I know it's funny to associate organization and drive with french folk.

Do we exterminate the dogs en masse? or as some would call it 'cull'. [/b][/quote]
I don't know what you do with them. Maybe you grandfather the ban. If you have a pitbull now you can keep it. Any incident and it is destroyed. But pitbulls will no longer be allowed to be sold or brought into the country.

just one approach.

Ahhh. But what if they have babies.

I don't know.

Damn.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by fotze+Jan 24 2005, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jan 24 2005, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JiriHrdina@Jan 24 2005, 07:31 PM
My opinion is simple. There have been far too many incidences with this type of dog. Yes - any dog can be a problem but the odds seem to rise dramtically with pitbulls.

I'm a huge animal lover but ban them.

To take it to an extreme example, what if all of a sudden there was a rash of home invasion robberies commited by french people. I know it's funny to associate organization and drive with french folk.

Do we exterminate the dogs en masse? or as some would call it 'cull'. [/b][/quote]
We already do have a ban on home-invaders no matter what language they speak.

I'm all for a ban on pit-bulls. Don't kill them off or take them away but just don't allow licenses and don't allow breeding. Soon enough there won't be any more.

I do believe I've read that there is some genetic "glitches" in pit bulls that causes them to snap. Only makes sense considering that somewhere in the not-too distant past they were bred to kill/fight in the same way a greyhound might be bred to run real fast.

Kinda hard to define a pit-bull though, isn't it?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by fotze+Jan 25 2005, 02:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jan 25 2005, 02:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Jan 24 2005, 07:08 PM
It's always fun doing my job where people let their pit bulls run around unrestrained.

Oh ya you're a postie are you not. I guess you would have an opinion on the matter. I bet dog's aren't high on you christmas card list.

On a separate note do you guys store your stuff then deliver it in one day? I seem to only get a sh*tload of mail one day a week then nothing for the rest. just curious . hehehe - bertuzzied [/b][/quote]
Only Canada Post does that Fotze! :P

It's been a great lesson in sociology having this job. People will think I'm generalizing, but for the most part (at least here) the people who own pit bulls don't take care of themselves let alone the dogs.

We have pepper spray. Some carriers overuse it. I don't want to spray any dog, pit bull or not. I've used it once and I had to.

But about two weeks ago I had two pit bulls corner me on a porch and if the owners hadn't run out of their house and rescued me who knows what chunks I would have lost. I didn't get the pepper spray in time to do anything. Scared the crap out of me though.

THe thing that bothers me the most about pit bulls is that I think most people who own them do so because they think it makes them tough. Pit bulls are a status symbol. It makes me sick.

I don't judge any dog by anything but it's actions though. I love dogs, I just don't like their owners.

[InTheSlot]

Any dog can snap at any time, even a well-trainded and supposed-to-be-obedient one. It just so happens that pitbulls are a more aggressive breed by nature.

[nfotiu]

I know that owners can definitely make their pit bulls worse. But we take our Lab to the dog park all the time and there are a couple pit bulls around with very good owners. They take good care of the dogs and bring them out to the park to socialize them. They are usually very good, but every once in a while some harmless dog, often a little yappy one will set them off and it is damn scary. Something about those dogs is just not right. I am pretty impartial, as they have always gotten along fine with my dog.

[Captain Sensible]

Well to be fair, pit bulls (along with all of the bull breeds) were bred to fight other dogs and other animals, not humans. In fact, most bull breeds are bred to be very human-friendly.

That said, the main problem is that if a pit bull does bite it is going to be a lot worse than if many other breeds of dog bite because they are built to fight.

I am certainly not for a ban, but it's not like I have any other options or ideas.

[Cowperson]

I frequent some Golden Retriever boards and those dedicated dog owners freak at the mention of breed bans.

There are only bad owners, not bad breeds says they.

That's probably true, but this particular breed seems to be deadly when its set off, regardless of the reason.

Its not just a bite as with many other breeds, its life and death.

Ban them.

Cowperson

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Jan 25 2005, 04:32 AM
I frequent some Golden Retriever boards and those dedicated dog owners freak at the mention of breed bans.

There are only bad owners, not bad breeds says they.

That's probably true, but this particular breed seems to be deadly when its set off, regardless of the reason.

Its not just a bite as with many other breeds, its life and death.

Ban them.

Cowperson

What about Bulldogs and Poodles?, Bulldogs have the hardest bite and Poodles with the sharpest teeth. When either of these dogs bite it's going to to the most damage. Should they be banned to?


This sort of seems like dog racism like when (and in some cases still) people thought that the black people where more violent than other "kinds" of people.

[Calgary Flames]

Good... they are not pets... I was 5 years old playing, my dad told me to come inside because it was going to rain, no more than 5 minutes later a gopher went into a storm pipe feet from where I was playing and a pit bull came into our yard and just destroyed the storm pipe... blood from the dogs gums, and the gopher was everywhere...

If I didn't go inside early, I would've been attacked... scarriest thing i've ever seen from my deck window.

Put bulls are not mentally capable to be pets.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Jan 24 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Jan 24 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Jan 25 2005, 04:32 AM
I frequent some Golden Retriever boards and those dedicated dog owners freak at the mention of breed bans.

There are only bad owners, not bad breeds says they.

That's probably true, but this particular breed seems to be deadly when its set off, regardless of the reason.

Its not just a bite as with many other breeds, its life and death.

Ban them.

Cowperson

What about Bulldogs and Poodles?, Bulldogs have the hardest bite and Poodles with the sharpest teeth. When either of these dogs bite it's going to to the most damage. Should they be banned to?


This sort of seems like dog racism like when (and in some cases still) people thought that the black people where more violent than other "kinds" of people. [/b][/quote]
I'd much rather be attacked by a poodle or a bulldog than I would by a pit bull. Are you sure your facts are correct about a bulldog having the most powerful bite? Maybe we are not talking about the same thing but when I hear bulldog I think of those little Winston Churchill-looking things with the big head and the bow legs and the slobbering.

Maybe a poodle has the sharpest teeth but it's definitely not going to cause more damage than a 60 pound pit bull.

Its not like racism because it's dogs.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Jan 24 2005, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Jan 24 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Jan 25 2005, 04:32 AM
I frequent some Golden Retriever boards and those dedicated dog owners freak at the mention of breed bans.

There are only bad owners, not bad breeds says they.

That's probably true, but this particular breed seems to be deadly when its set off, regardless of the reason.

Its not just a bite as with many other breeds, its life and death.

Ban them.

Cowperson

What about Bulldogs and Poodles?, Bulldogs have the hardest bite and Poodles with the sharpest teeth. When either of these dogs bite it's going to to the most damage. Should they be banned to?


This sort of seems like dog racism like when (and in some cases still) people thought that the black people where more violent than other "kinds" of people. [/b][/quote]
How many poodles attacks do we hear of?

Generally the media reports on any serious dog attack and they almost always involve Pit Bulls. This is not "dog racism" in the least. The bottom line is that this breed of dog has been responsible for killing people (including children) on a number of occasions. Its time to do something about it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

If the dogs are a danger to the general public I see no reason why they should not be banned. I am sure that the owners are bad owners and they shouldn't be allowed to have dogs of any sort, but pit-bulls are more likely to attack another dog or worse yet a human being just due to their mental compacity, and their tendency to lash out at others.

If I am not mistaken a large number of attacks by pit-bulls are against children because they are smaller, and they wouldn't put up a fight. That is not a pet.

Would it be appropriate to have a bear as a pet? a couger? a wolf? Of course not.

And that being racism? What? It is a dog, and sorry banning a dog because it is a known danger to the safety of the community is not equal to anything with regards to a humans basic rights.

[browna]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Jan 24 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Jan 24 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Jan 25 2005, 04:32 AM
I frequent some Golden Retriever boards and those dedicated dog owners freak at the mention of breed bans.

There are only bad owners, not bad breeds says they.

That's probably true, but this particular breed seems to be deadly when its set off, regardless of the reason.

Its not just a bite as with many other breeds, its life and death.

Ban them.

Cowperson

What about Bulldogs and Poodles?, Bulldogs have the hardest bite and Poodles with the sharpest teeth. When either of these dogs bite it's going to to the most damage. Should they be banned to?


This sort of seems like dog racism like when (and in some cases still) people thought that the black people where more violent than other "kinds" of people. [/b][/quote]
Bulldogs and Poodles don't have the muscle mass or strength that Pit Bulls have.
In addition to thier deadly teeth and quciker-than-most breeds bloodthirsty temper, they have the size to overwhelm most people, if applied.

Bulldogs you can out run, or because they're smaller, they're not likley to jump up at you (and continue you at you) like a 100lb Pitbull.

Many poodles can be quite easily pushed or thrown aside in an attack.

Our 60+lb 7 month old lab cross bears a mean tooth and is getting big enough to be somewhat difficult (when she gets cranky) if she is a bad girl and jumps up at me. Id she had a big bad temper and wouldn't back down when I tell her too....

[Red]

The biggest problem with those dogs is that like Dis already pointed out they usually go with the wrong crowd. Older ladies don't buy pitbulls to be their friend, it's the tough wannabes that get them. I'd be intersted to see how the pitbull population is spread out in Calgay or any other cities. I'd be willing to bet that there are far more pitbulls in Forest Lawn/Dover etc than The Hamptons or Signal Hill.

Another excuse I hear from the pro-pitbull crowd is that even Shih-Tzus and Poodles snap. The difference is that those incidents don't have near the fatal consequences.

This is similar to having guns in wrong hands. Sadly, when you find out that that a person should't own one it's usually a day too late.
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[Mike__]

I agree with having stricter laws on owning pitbulls. Not every owner gets a pitbull to train it to be aggresive. Some owners get it because they love the breed.