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Old 01-29-2005, 10:39 AM   #1
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What do you think. As a person with a parent on the verge...some....year... really do you want this to happen?

Seriously this guy died near his "true" death...how about a teenager who wants to go?


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Old 01-29-2005, 12:25 PM   #2
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The problem with losing the right to live by offering the right to die is that Emergancy workers have to know what you want before they starting to do any work on you. If they do work and find out you wanted to die then they have set themselves up for legal action. IMO here lies the problem with the right to die.
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Old 01-29-2005, 12:34 PM   #3
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I'd really like to see us adopt a medically approved and assisted means of ending your life like they have the Netherlands. So no, 14 year old p*ssed off at life can't it but a 65 year old with terminal n-stage bone cancer for whom opiates have no effect can peacefully end his life. Doing this in a controlled environment would certainly remove the whole problem of EMT workers reviving anyone that didn't want to be.
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Old 01-29-2005, 08:41 PM   #4
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"A 20-year member of Dying With Dignity, Tremblay thought people should have a right to decide when they die and if they are of sound mind, to have assistance if they need it"

How can you argue with that? If someone is of sound mind, what business does anyone else have forcing them to stay alive, particularly if they are in chronic and irreversible pain?

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The problem with losing the right to live by offering the right to die is that Emergancy workers have to know what you want before they starting to do any work on you. If they do work and find out you wanted to die then they have set themselves up for legal action. IMO here lies the problem with the right to die.
No judge is ever going to hold an EMS worker, emergency room doctor, etc., liable for saving someone's life if they had no idea that they wished to die. That has already been established with Do-Not-Resuscitate orders.
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Old 01-29-2005, 10:04 PM   #5
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I do have a problem with people committing suicide for some wrong/stupid reasons, but for people with terminal illnesses I definitely think it's their choice. So...should physician-assisted suicide be legalized? YES.

Why:


Don't make doctors criminals for helping people escape painful terminal illnesses.

Even with the best of hospice care, people want to know that there can be some way to shorten a tortured dying process. It is not pain that causes people to ask for a hastened death, but the indignities and suffering that accompany some terminal illnesses such as cancer, stroke, and AIDS. A survey in the Netherlends found that the primary reason to choose help in dying was to avoid "senseless suffering." Hospice can make people more comfortable, can bring spiritual solace and can work with the family, but--as long as hospice is sworn neither to prolong nor hasten death--it will not be the whole answer for everyone. People should not have to make a choice between seeking hospice care and choosing to hasten the dying process. The best hospice care should be available to everyone, as should the option of a quick, gentle, certain death with loved ones around when the suffering has become unbearable. Both should be part of the continuum of care at the end of life.

We have the right to commit suicide and the right to refuse unwanted medical treatment, including food and water. But what we don't have--unless we live in Oregon--is the right to get help from a doctor to achieve a peaceful death. The Oregon example has shown us that, although a large number of people wnat to know the choice is there, only a small number will take advantage of it. During the first eight months of the Oregon "Death with Dignity" law, only 10 people took the opportunity to obtain the medications and eight used them to end their lives. In the Netherlands it consistenly has been less than 5 percent of the total number of people who die every year who choose to get help in doing so from their doctor.

In Switzerland, where physician-assisted death is also legal, about 120 people die annually with the help of medical assistance. There is no deluge of people wanting to put themselves out of their misery nor of greedy doctors and hospitals encouraging that alternative. People wnat to live as long as possible. There are repeated testimonials to the fact that people can ilve longer and with less anguish once they know that help will be available if they want it to end. Even Jack Kevorkian, who says he helped 130 people die since 1990, has averaged only 14 deaths a year.

To the credit of the right-to-die movement, end-of-life care has improved because of the push for assisted dying. In Oregon, end-of-life care is th ebest in the country: Oregon is No. 1 in morphine use, twice as many people there use hospice as the national average, and more people die at home than in the hospital.


It is gratifying that the specter of assisted dying has spurred such conern for care at the end of life. Clearly, if we take the pressure off, the issue will disappear back into the closet. No matter how good the care gets, there will still be a need to have an assisted death as one choice. The better the care gets, the less that need will exist.

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Old 01-31-2005, 04:56 AM   #6
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I had a friend and workmate commit suicide, yeah I found his body. Me and another friend new he was going to do it because he even showed us where he had made his first attempt [with gas much like the man in the story]. It didn't work the first time because he instinctively clawed off the mask. I drove him to the hospital a few times to get Physcriatic[sp] help and hoped he would be admitted, but he told me there were no empty beds. From this experience, I believe that people will instinctively fight to live and at this point in my life, I don't believe in assisted suicide.
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Old 01-31-2005, 11:33 AM   #7
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I had a friend and workmate commit suicide, yeah I found his body. Me and another friend new he was going to do it because he even showed us where he had made his first attempt [with gas much like the man in the story]. It didn't work the first time because he instinctively clawed off the mask. I drove him to the hospital a few times to get Physcriatic[sp] help and hoped he would be admitted, but he told me there were no empty beds. From this experience, I believe that people will instinctively fight to live and at this point in my life, I don't believe in assisted suicide.
Vulcan I can certainly understand why you might be against Physican assisted suicide but we're talking about two entirely different situations here.

One is when a person wishes to end their life for non-medical reasons such as depression. The other is when a terminal disease causes untreatable pain and is certain to cause death. The two are very different. A physician should be able to distinguish between the two and prevent the former from occuring under such a program.
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