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I love the comments on this page, man there are some real dumb people in this country.
1: The "tunnel" doesnt go North/South it goes East/West. Barlow North/South will close and the alternative is widening 36th Street. The plan is for the Tunnel to go East/west from Airport road to 36th street if it even exists.
2: Barlow North South from MkNight to at least 96th Street is on airport land. It doesnt need city approval. To close it.
3: To the ###### who whined about the airport being in the middle of the city - hello it wasnt when it opened. Also it makes Calgary one of the best cities for air transportation. If the CTRAIN ever gets connected people will love that the airport isnt closer to Airdrie than Calgary.
4: Airport bridges isnt really an option because this is an active runway and not a taxiway. The reason its important now is because the airport isnt going to close an active runway for city construction.
5: The Runway is needed if direct flights to Asia can even be considered without weight penalties. That and major cargo flights are the reason this runway is being built.
Sorry to rant but I am facinated with the airline industry and know many people work at/with the aiports in Edmonton/Calgary/Vancouver.
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Haha. Some of those comments are hilarious. The one guy saying 'why don't they just cross the road and the runway? Then they could put up a red light camera there!'
then another guy 'why don't they just close deerfoot down to one lane and use the other lanes for runway??'
Then there was the comment about curbside recycling being 30 years behind. That gave me a little deja vu.
On a serious note, I agree with the one guy that said that the new runway would do alot more good for our economy. More direct flights to calgary by european carriers. That sounds good to me.
As for the fear of a terrorist attack in the tunnel... Um, what? Why? Because it's under a runway? As if there aren't thousands of tunnels in NA that go under buildings and other juicier targets, the terrorists would target a 2x2 lane road in Calgary and get maybe 20 cars and if they timed it well enough, they'd got a loaded plane landing in the ditch. Riiiight.
Any hotels on Barlow are going to be pissed.
McKnight is going to be an even bigger nightmare.
I agree that the airport has the right to do it, but someone should have been planning for this day
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Any hotels on Barlow are going to be pissed.
McKnight is going to be an even bigger nightmare.
I agree that the airport has the right to do it, but someone should have been planning for this day
They have, its just money that is the problem. The city has come up with there's, I have no doubt it will be built with all this ridiculous infrastructure spending to combat the "recession" but I find it hard to believe someone would post on a public website when they obviously have no grasp of the issue.
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I've talked about this at another forum, but I'll keep it short here. Not building the tunnel may be the worst oversight the city ever made. The cost of not building it would be MUCH higher in my opinion than building it. McKnight and Country Hills Blvd Northeast (not so much now, but in the future when everything is developed) would need much more than the cost of the tunnel in upgrades. McKnight has at least allowances for interchanges, Country Hills Blvd does not, it's not even planned to be an expressway. Airport Trail is supposed to be the expressway east of the Airport in the area. However, if the tunnel doesn't get built, it'll be the expressway to nowhere that will be horribly underused - meanwhile, to the north, Country Hills Blvd will be jammed with traffic such as this city has never seen before, and won't be able to handle it. It'll be so bad, that developers won't develop in the area, and will develop on the other side of the ring road instead.
And that's just the start of the reasons why the tunnel must be done.
As for the fear of a terrorist attack in the tunnel... Um, what? Why? Because it's under a runway? As if there aren't thousands of tunnels in NA that go under buildings and other juicier targets, the terrorists would target a 2x2 lane road in Calgary and get maybe 20 cars and if they timed it well enough, they'd got a loaded plane landing in the ditch. Riiiight.
Any bomb that would be powerful enough to take out a bridge that holds up a loaded plane moving at 500km/h would be FAR more effective somewhere else. The bridges that would be built there would pretty much be the strongest structures in the city. Seriously, the bomb required to do damage to the bridge would have to be huge.
I don't get what the big deal is? If they are widening 36th street they just need to extend 96th Ave and bingo? Exact same access as right now except moved to the East a couple blocks?
I'm not from here, and rarely go to the NE but all you need is google maps and the YYC site and you can clearly see what is really going to happen. There are people on that CTV site saying the "optics" of neglecting the NE are obvious and that they are going to "functionally cut off a large section of city from the rest."
No, they are just going to move your freeway a little to the east.
Or am I missing something?
Edit: I see now that the runway will extend past where 96th Ave would have to be so... what...? up to Country Hills and then South on Barlow? Still doesn't seem like a big inconvenience to me. You just put an extra lane on the west bound side of Country Hills to handle the traffic that is using it for a few blocks?
EDIT 2: I also didn't realize that Airport Trail and 96th ave were the same street. Dum da dum da dum.
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Why does the runway need to be that long? The one have is long enough to land a space shuttle.
They really should connect the C-train to the airport. Why isn't that in the plans?
Here's what I found. Not sure if it helps? From HERE.
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Originally Posted by Airport-technology.com
The airport has three runways covering 472,000m². Runway 16-34 (3,863m) is the longest runway in Canada. This can be attributed to the relatively high elevation (3,556ft / 1,083m) of the airport and the need to support the largest passenger aircraft types. The two other runways, 10/28 and 07/25 are intersecting runways and are both used as relief runways at various times during operations.
Aircraft require more distance to take-off at higher elevations, because of the reduced air density associated with altitude. There is a plan (2004 masterplan) to build a parallel runway east of the airport (16L-34R) to accommodate more air traffic as the airport becomes busier (plans were first made for the new north south 16L-34R parallel runway over 30 years ago).
So the new runway is going to be ~1325 feet longer. Is that needed?
But, looking at google maps again, with the golf course in the way in the south, even a shorter runway (the same size as the one they have now) looks like it would still extend north past 96th Ave.
As for the C-Train, who knows. I do know it is a pain in the ass to take public transportation to and from the airport. Maybe the cab drivers like it that way?
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As for the C-Train, who knows. I do know it is a pain in the ass to take public transportation to and from the airport. Maybe the cab drivers like it that way?
Haha... I thought of that too. Wonder how much the cabbies are paying city hall for that. I think there are long-term plans for the North-Centre LRT to connect to the airport with a connector, but it makes more sense to me have an airport->McKnight-Westwinds connector. Although it would probably have to go through the tunnel...
Isn't this why we're building Metis Trail to the ring road? Honestly, I don't understand the problem here.
Also, I don't know why the plans for the LRT to get to the airport are so far on the backburner, but with the west line looking like about 1.2 billion, and with the revamping of all the platforms along 7th, I'm not sure just how much money is available yet for TI.
Isn't this why we're building Metis Trail to the ring road? Honestly, I don't understand the problem here.
Metis Trail runs north south, Airport Trail runs east west. The problem is that the airport runways together will be nearly 7 km long. There won't be ANY east west road for 4 miles, and the proposed road at the north end of that isn't proposed to be a freeway. That's one heck of a bottleneck. Metis trail will do a great job of bringing the traffic to the bottleneck roads.
Think of it as the area south of fish creek park around McLeod Trail. Airport Trail will be to the NE what McLeod Trail is to that area. It's suppossed to be the major road coming out of the area. Think of that area in the south, if one day people woke up, and McLeod Trail had never been built, but everything else was the same. That's pretty much how it would be in the NE if the tunnel isn't built.
I must be misunderstanding something here then. The issue is that Airport Trail will not run from Deerfoot through to NE Calgary, right? But Country Hills BV (which is only one mile to the north of Airport Trail) and the ring road (which is another 2 miles north of CHB) both will run from the Deerfoot past Metis Trail.
Airport Trail has never been, and never will be, a major artery from the Deerfoot to the NE. In fact, CHB always has been that major road, and I know for a fact that it is being widened to a four lane commercial major as we speak.
CHB doesn't connect to the NE. 36th is in VERY bad shape, 68th stops at 80th and is pretty much just a residential street. Metis goes up to 80th from the south, but past 64th narrows and it is a stop sigh at 80th. It doesn't go to CHB, and I don't know any plans for it to extend any further.
I'm not sure people realize the volume of traffic on Barlow or McKnight, especially if there are any traffic incidents on Deerfoot. At the best of times, in the evenings the turning lane from Barlow to Westbound McKnight has traffic backed up to 32nd most days.
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I must be misunderstanding something here then. The issue is that Airport Trail will not run from Deerfoot through to NE Calgary, right? But Country Hills BV (which is only one mile to the north of Airport Trail) and the ring road (which is another 2 miles north of CHB) both will run from the Deerfoot past Metis Trail.
Airport Trail has never been, and never will be, a major artery from the Deerfoot to the NE. In fact, CHB always has been that major road, and I know for a fact that it is being widened to a four lane commercial major as we speak.
So is there another issue here?
CHB is proposed to be a major road, that's a four or six lane road with lots of lights. Airport Trail is supposed to be a limited access expressway.
CHB as a road with many lights will not be able to handle the traffic that it needs to if Airport Trail is not there. It will have to be a limited access expressway. Seriously, when everything is developed, there's going to be a lot of traffic that will want to connect to the NW/Deerfoot Trail, and it'll be a nightmare to try and do that.
CHB doesn't connect to the NE. 36th is in VERY bad shape, 68th stops at 80th and is pretty much just a residential street. Metis goes up to 80th from the south, but past 64th narrows and it is a stop sigh at 80th. It doesn't go to CHB, and I don't know any plans for it to extend any further.
I'm not sure people realize the volume of traffic on Barlow or McKnight, especially if there are any traffic incidents on Deerfoot. At the best of times, in the evenings the turning lane from Barlow to Westbound McKnight has traffic backed up to 32nd most days.
Metis is going to be a four lane expressway from the Ring Road to Airport Trail, probably by the end of the year. There are plans for interchanges at 128 Ave and CHB as well as Airport Trail, but those aren't going to happen for quite some time, so we're stuck with at-grade interchanges for the moment.
I am also in the dark when it comes to plans from 80th to Airport Trail, but I have to assume that they have plans for a 4 lane expressway all the way through from McKnight to the Ring Road. It just doesn't make sense to have a couple miles of nothing in between two expressways. It has to be tied together, and I would assume it's planned to be finished before Barlow is shut down. I could be wrong, though. This would give us a four lane expressway from McKnight to the Ring Road, which is essentially what we have on Barlow right now. The only missing link is the East to West route to the Deerfoot, but the City may think that the Ring Road is enough. A bit of a mistake, IMO because of the lights at CHB and 128, but there may only be so much money to go around.
CTV - Tunnel not part of runway plans
