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CalgaryFan1988 · 04-03-2009, 04:56 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30030756/?GT1=43001

Is it just me or is this getting more and more common?

Save Us Sutter · 04-03-2009, 04:57 PM

Common enough that it took over 6 hours for someone to bother making a thread about it.

CalgaryFan1988 · 04-03-2009, 05:05 PM

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Common enough that it took over 6 hours for someone to bother making a thread about it.

Yeah, I just got home from work and never even heard about it all day. And I listened to the radio all day......

Jayems · 04-03-2009, 05:06 PM

I read about it earlier, but wasn't nearly as serious as it is now. Blocked the door? Cold .

GreenTeaFrapp · 04-03-2009, 05:08 PM

I only heard about it because the Sens AHL affiliate is located there.

Save Us Sutter · 04-03-2009, 05:26 PM

I turned on CNN around noon and had it on for awhile. They kept cycling through the same loop of clips from the scene. It was not a long loop so you'd see the same scene of a victim being carried out on a gurney about once every 75 seconds while some loud guy guessed as to what might be happening. I turned it off.

I don't want to take anything away from the seriousness of the situation there and the grief that the families/friends are going through but to me it's just another random shooting. Hardly seems rare at all anymore. Sorry if that is insensitive but they are my true feelings on the subject.

Pretty sad that the victims were new to the country and had in some cases, I imagine, arrived in America for a safer life.

Azure · 04-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Yeah, quite a few of these happening lately.

I would say that its sad that humanity has come to this point, but this is probably nothing compared to how it was during the late 1800s in the Western United States, or even earlier in history throughout the world.

metallicat · 04-03-2009, 06:25 PM

They have to take so many people down with them, don't they? Infuriating.

LouCypher · 04-03-2009, 06:41 PM

Maybe the right to bare arms isn't working out so well, not to say we don't see stuff here but guns are far to easy to get a hold of and so long as that remains true the frequency of such shootings will remain high.

transplant99 · 04-03-2009, 06:45 PM

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Maybe the right to bare arms isn't working out so well

maybe if one of the victims had a gun...there wouldnt be 14 dead?

I HATE guns....let me make that clear...but in any country where they are available, it makes as much sense for as many as possible to have them and use them the right way as it is to try and limit the legal folks from having them while the criminals dont follow the same procedeure.

Azure · 04-03-2009, 06:46 PM

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Maybe the right to bare arms isn't working out so well, not to say we don't see stuff here but guns are far to easy to get a hold of and so long as that remains true the frequency of such shootings will remain high.

Except that has nothing to do with this.

Responsible gun-owners shouldn't have their rights taken away from them because some nut-case went off the edge and killed a bunch of innocent people.

Someone could just as easy take a car and ram into a bunch of bystanders on a busy intersection downtown. Ban cars?

Jedi Ninja · 04-03-2009, 06:48 PM

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Maybe the right to bare arms isn't working out so well, not to say we don't see stuff here but guns are far to easy to get a hold of and so long as that remains true the frequency of such shootings will remain high.

We're not going to get into that debate again are we? Frankly, I don't think people should be forced to wear long sleeves.

LouCypher · 04-03-2009, 06:49 PM

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maybe if one of the victims had a gun...there wouldnt be 14 dead?

I HATE guns....let me make that clear...but in any country where they are available, it makes as much sense for as many as possible to have them and use them the right way as it is to try and limit the legal folks from having them while the criminals dont follow the same procedeure.

I see the logic however also see little need for guns, their existence does little to improve quality of life anywhere but since the criminals can get em the rest need them for defense. Vicious cycle which we wont see end in our lifetimes.

Azure · 04-03-2009, 06:54 PM

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I see the logic however also see little need for guns, their existence does little to improve quality of life anywhere but since the criminals can get em the rest need them for defense. Vicious cycle which we wont see end in our lifetimes.

Well, I see no logic is having a lot of other things too. Ban them as well?

You know, like cigarettes, alcohol....

transplant99 · 04-03-2009, 06:55 PM

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I see the logic however also see little need for guns,

Maybe you dont see the need...I see it all the time in large US cities....hell even in rural Alberta they would of been preety useful more than a few times.

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their existence does little to improve quality of life anywhere

tell that to the guy who has gunned down intruders while his family slept.

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but since the criminals can get em the rest need them for defense. Vicious cycle which we wont see end in our lifetimes.

Agreed.

the one thing about that though is that taking em away from those who use them resposibly and legally...in a an effort to take them away from those who dont...is ridiculous.

LouCypher · 04-03-2009, 06:58 PM

Oh I agree with responsible gun owners having them sure but the more guns we see the more shootings we see if every gun vanished tomorrow the world would be a better place for it.

metallicat · 04-03-2009, 06:58 PM

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Oh I agree with responsible gun owners having them sure but the more guns we see the more shootings we see if every gun vanished tomorrow the world would be a better place for it.

Then they would use something else to rampage with. Knives, or bats, or something else.

LouCypher · 04-03-2009, 07:04 PM

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Then they would use something else to rampage with. Knives, or bats, or something else.

As people did before the advent of gunpowder however as I see it the more weapons every feels a right to having the more potential there is to destroy each other when their is a probably better solution however we are centuries away from that solution at our current pace.

metallicat · 04-03-2009, 07:06 PM

I can barely read that sentence, but eradicating all guns is simply not even worth discussing because it's impossible.

LouCypher · 04-03-2009, 07:15 PM

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I can barely read that sentence, but eradicating all guns is simply not even worth discussing because it's impossible.

Yep can barely read my own writing since I typed that so fast, but again from a big picture standpoint society has advanced far beyond the point of really needing guns, outside of more rural areas or 3rd world countries where hunting is still a means of survival. Now that Ive dragged this off topic Ill leave it at that.

My condolences to all the victims and their families.