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Da_Chief · 03-26-2009, 09:50 PM

http://whl.ca/a-look-at-the-2008-09-...alists-p127972

Despite having the second beat season in the Dub history and posting the best season in the Dub this year, the Hitmen imo got shafted.

Holtby ahead of Jones as the East nominee for Goaltender of the year?

Lowry not even a candidate for coach of the year?

They screwed that one up. At least Kisio and Postma got deservingly nominations.

flip · 03-26-2009, 09:53 PM

Lowry not getting a nod is a joke. The Hitmen were not predicted to be a force in the CHL this season.

moon · 03-26-2009, 10:22 PM

They didn't get screwed, it isn't as though Holtby and Molleken are two undeserving bums. I think that Lowry certainly deserved the Eastern nomination, but Molleken likely did as good a job. Having watched the Blades for 4 games in the play-offs there is not much talent on that team.

For them to have got screwed the guys that went in over them would have had to have been clearly worse options and Holtby is the better choice and Molleken at worst is slightly less deserving.

Dion · 03-26-2009, 10:58 PM

Agreed that Lowry got jobbed. Took a team that wasn't supposed to do well to a #1 spot in the CHL rankings. What more was he supposed to do?

Da_Chief · 03-26-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

They didn't get screwed, it isn't as though Holtby and Molleken are two undeserving bums. I think that Lowry certainly deserved the Eastern nomination, but Molleken likely did as good a job. Having watched the Blades for 4 games in the play-offs there is not much talent on that team.

For them to have got screwed the guys that went in over them would have had to have been clearly worse options and Holtby is the better choice and Molleken at worst is slightly less deserving.

Jones numbers are better across the board. Holtby facing 28.4 shots a game vs Jones facing 24.5 shots a game...Don't give me Jones was on the country's best team crap, cuz Jones was part of the reason why that team was number 1 in the country.

Lowry's team was top 2 all year along in the country, and finished as number one. NO ONE had the Hitmen even as top 10 in the country at the start of the year, let alone number one. How does he not even get a nomination?

Nuje · 03-26-2009, 11:35 PM

Lowry should've definitely been there. Really good on Postma though. Crazy improvement in that guy's game this year. He's been a force from the games I've seen.

moon · 03-26-2009, 11:44 PM

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Jones numbers are better across the board. Holtby facing 28.4 shots a game vs Jones facing 24.5 shots a game...Don't give me Jones was on the country's best team crap, cuz Jones was part of the reason why that team was number 1 in the country.

Lowry's team was top 2 all year along in the country, and finished as number one. NO ONE had the Hitmen even as top 10 in the country at the start of the year, let alone number one. How does he not even get a nomination?

He doesn't get a nomination because there were two good options and only one guy could get picked.

I think Lowry should have been the pick but he wasn't close to being that much better that he was "screwed". Other teams have had good seasons as well.

Jones can have all the numbers he wants Holtby played better in my view.

And you can ignore the fact that the team that Jones played for not helping but it played a big role in his play this season.

Still being a very close second is nothing to sneeze at and certainly nowhere close to being screwed.

Da_Chief · 03-27-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

He doesn't get a nomination because there were two good options and only one guy could get picked.

I think Lowry should have been the pick but he wasn't close to being that much better that he was "screwed". Other teams have had good seasons as well.

Jones can have all the numbers he wants Holtby played better in my view.

And you can ignore the fact that the team that Jones played for not helping but it played a big role in his play this season.

Still being a very close second is nothing to sneeze at and certainly nowhere close to being screwed.

Thats the point, there were two options and they picked the lesser one, thus the better guy got screwed

Its like playing the game 7 of Stanley Cup Finals, both teams playing great, but the ref blows an obvious call in favor of team A and than team A wins. Does this not mean team B got Screwed? lol

As far as Jones, compare his numbers to his backups (Jones' basically 1 year older and this was his first season as the number 1 guy) and you will see it wasn't all because of playing on a great team.

Resolute 14 · 03-27-2009, 07:21 AM

No, Lowry was screwed. Leading a team that was supposed to be rebuilding to the second best regular season in WHL history? Mollekin led his team to a fantastic season as well, but this was a nomination based on tenure, not performance. Plain and simple. The idiots in charge of nominations are judging based on something beyond this season, which completely violates the point of season awards.

FanIn80 · 03-27-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

He doesn't get a nomination because there were two good options and only one guy could get picked.

I think Lowry should have been the pick but he wasn't close to being that much better that he was "screwed". Other teams have had good seasons as well.

Jones can have all the numbers he wants Holtby played better in my view.

And you can ignore the fact that the team that Jones played for not helping but it played a big role in his play this season.

Still being a very close second is nothing to sneeze at and certainly nowhere close to being screwed.

A 59-9 record isn't "that much better" than a 49-18 record? On which planet? Also... other teams may have "had good seasons too," but there's only been one season in WHL history that was better than this year's Hitmen.

Couple all of that with the fact that this team carried very little in the way of expectations going into this season, and it's very clear that Lowry, indeed, got screwed.

moon · 03-27-2009, 11:38 AM

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A 59-9 record isn't "that much better" than a 49-18 record? On which planet? Also... other teams may have "had good seasons too," but there's only been one season in WHL history that was better than this year's Hitmen.

Couple all of that with the fact that this team carried very little in the way of expectations going into this season, and it's very clear that Lowry, indeed, got screwed.

The Hitmen have a lot more talent than the Blades do so they should have a better record.

Coaching awards aren't given out to who had the best record but who did the best coaching job. Considering the talent each team had and hwo they finished up yes Lowry wasn't that much better.

Hitmen fans can whine all they want the fact is Molleken is a deserving finalist and even though Lowry is likely a little more deserving the gap between the coaching jobs each did is nowhere near the level that Lowry got screwed.

Da_Chief · 03-27-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

The Hitmen have a lot more talent than the Blades do so they should have a better record.

Coaching awards aren't given out to who had the best record but who did the best coaching job. Considering the talent each team had and hwo they finished up yes Lowry wasn't that much better.

Hitmen fans can whine all they want the fact is Molleken is a deserving finalist and even though Lowry is likely a little more deserving the gap between the coaching jobs each did is nowhere near the level that Lowry got screwed.

Thank you! game, set, match!

Resolute 14 · 03-27-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

The Hitmen have a lot more talent than the Blades do so they should have a better record.

Coaching awards aren't given out to who had the best record but who did the best coaching job. Considering the talent each team had and hwo they finished up yes Lowry wasn't that much better.

Hitmen fans can whine all they want the fact is Molleken is a deserving finalist and even though Lowry is likely a little more deserving the gap between the coaching jobs each did is nowhere near the level that Lowry got screwed.

Funny, you weren't all that impressed with the Hitmen's talent for most of the year. Suddenly they are very talented right when it would suit your argument.

moon · 03-27-2009, 01:56 PM

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Thank you! game, set, match!

I have said all along that Lowry is more deserving just that he wasn't screwed so not sure how that is game, set and match.

moon · 03-27-2009, 01:57 PM

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Funny, you weren't all that impressed with the Hitmen's talent for most of the year. Suddenly they are very talented right when it would suit your argument.

I don't remember saying they were very talented, just more talented than Saskatoon.

Da_Chief · 03-27-2009, 03:43 PM

Moon, you're fighting a losing battle. This will be my last post on it cuz clearly you don't know what you're talking about. You say Lowry is more deserving but he didn't get nominated, that means he got screwed. G S M

moon · 03-27-2009, 04:32 PM

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Moon, you're fighting a losing battle. This will be my last post on it cuz clearly you don't know what you're talking about. You say Lowry is more deserving but he didn't get nominated, that means he got screwed. G S M

Of course you think it is a losing battle.

Look I really don't care if Hitmen fans want to get worked up about him getting screwed. Just because he deserved it more doesn't mean he got screwed, not if Mollekan deserved the nomination as well.

If he had lost out to Michael Dyck then yes he got screwed, but in this case there was a very close race and he unfortunately didn't win. I can see the argument that others can make for Molleken. In my opinion if there is a legitimate argument for the other guy then nobody got screwed.

Perhaps we have different versions of what "screwed" is or perhaps I am not a huge homer

, but either way I see absolutely no way that Lowry got screwed in this case.

Resolute 14 · 03-27-2009, 05:04 PM

Except for the part where Molleken wasn't the best coach in the conference, at least.

The fact that Lowry did a better job with a team that lost most of its top players, leading them to a historical season says that his not being nominated was a screw job.

As I said, the voters are rewarding Molleken for past tenure, not for this year's performance.