Obama lifts stem cell research ban

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Barack Attack!

U.S. President Barack Obama's lifting of restrictions on federal funding for human embryonic stem cell research puts him at odds with Pope Benedict and the American Roman Catholic Church.

After Mr. Obama signed the order on Monday, the Vatican and U.S. and Italian Church leaders condemned the move. One commentator said the test of "a real democracy" was its defence of the most defenceless.


Mr. Obama's executive order reversed and repudiated restrictions placed on the research by his predecessor, George W. Bush, freeing labs across the country to start working with the cells, which can give rise to any kind of cell in the body.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1373467

[PsYcNeT]

Take that you backwater yokels!


"Pooooope...laundry in the hamper!"

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm more concerned about the regulatory aspect of this, then the theological aspect of this.

This in the long run is suppossed to be the miracle cure for everything, so its going to be a for profit endeavor. I'm more concerned about how they get their source material then anything else.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Take that you backwater yokels!


"Pooooope...laundry in the hamper!"

It feels great to be able to crack jokes on the internet rather than being a source for stem cells in a Petri dish, doesn't it?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

It feels great to be able to crack jokes on the internet rather than being a source for stem cells in a Petri dish, doesn't it?

Well if I was, I wouldn't have feelings, because I wouldn't a) be alive, or b) be a person.

[Canada 02]

stem cell research is a fad; patients will get cancer from this not cures

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

stem cell research is a fad; patients will get cancer from this not cures

hmmmmmm please go on.........

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

stem cell research is a fad; patients will get cancer from this not cures

Jeez you better get this message out to the world... there's a hefty 'scientific' community out there that seems to think there's a lot of medical progress to be made out of stem cell research.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

stem cell research is a fad; patients will get cancer from this not cures

I'm going to disagree with this.

Also I would appreciate the irony if higher ups in the catholic church get degenerative diseases.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Jeez you better get this message out to the world... there's a hefty 'scientific' community out there that seems to think there's a lot of medical progress to be made out of stem cell research.

Scientists are all godless morality-crushing minions of the devil. So if they say it, it's probably wrong and serves satan.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

hmmmmmm please go on.........

with out getting into all the scientific jargon, basically the vast majority of the cells in your body do not multiply. Cancer cells have found a way around this. In order to grow "stem cells" in vitro (in a test tube or culture plate) or in vivo (in the organism), scientists have had to give them certain growth properties similar to cancer cells so that they can evade the normal anti-growth signals that the majority of cells are exposed to.

So far those growth properties or growth signals have resulted in these stem cells becoming cancer cells. It is a huge obstacle to over come, and every scientific meeting I've been to has yet to reveal a good way to over come this, expecially in vivo. There are some things that can be done in vitro, but those things would never be allowed in people

i guess you could say im a skeptic; my point of view has nothing to do with morals, ethics or religion. It is based on 15+ years as a cancer biologist, and a well published one at that

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

I'm going to disagree with this.

Also I would appreciate the irony if higher ups in the catholic church get degenerative diseases.

noooo they are god's chosen ones.....surely they will never get a disease....

[PsYcNeT]

Well it's a good thing we get to research it more to find out if it gives you cancer!

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Jeez you better get this message out to the world... there's a hefty 'scientific' community out there that seems to think there's a lot of medical progress to be made out of stem cell research.

no, the scientific community will ride this new funding wave til it dries up

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

noooo they are god's chosen ones.....surely they will never get a disease....

I think you're confusing Catholics with Jews.

The Catholic Church doesn't have a lot of influence in U.S. politics anyway. They are not a predominantly Catholic country. Although, they have their fair share of Protestant and Calvinist wingnuts who will be opposed to stem cell research, it certainly won't be because of what the Pope says. Most of them dislike the Catholic Church just as much as atheists.

The thing that bugs me most about this issue is that people still don't seem to realize that there are alternative sources to stem cells than just purposely aborted embryos and a big part of the research is aimed at finding alternative sources. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater (pun intended).

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what's going on in Canada? is stem cell research banned here too?

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think you're confusing Catholics with Jews.

The Catholic Church doesn't have a lot of influence in U.S. politics anyway. They are not a predominantly Catholic country. Although, they have their fair share of Protestant and Calvinist wingnuts who will be opposed to stem cell research, it certainly won't be because of what the Pope says. Most of them dislike the Catholic Church just as much as atheists.

The thing that bugs me most about this issue is that people still don't seem to realize that there are alternative sources to stem cells than just purposely aborted embryos and a big part of the research is aimed at finding alternative sources. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater (pun intended).

uhmmm no, you missed the point, if the pope of appointed by god, then by extension those that reach a high position in the church could be consider chosen ones.....not the Chosen People.....pst your anti-semitism is showing

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

no, the scientific community will ride this new funding wave til it dries up

Yeah like that idiot Dr. Freed who I read about somewhere online. Despite the evidence that fetal cells being used to cure Parkinson's is complete hooey he keeps doing operations on the elderly. Plus charging them for it and getting funds to do it from the government. What a joke. These guys are like modern day Mengele's. Meanwhile the side effects from this bogus treatment are bigtime.

OOOOOh some more dollars to fart around with. Methinks these guys need strict regulation just like those bozo's at the banks or on wall street.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

I'm going to disagree with this.

based on what?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

uhmmm no, you missed the point, if the pope of appointed by god, then by extension those that reach a high position in the church could be consider chosen ones.....not the Chosen People.....pst your anti-semitism is showing

Now I think you're confusing semantics with semetics.

Seriously, I thought you calling Catholics gods chosen ones, not just the Pope. If you think that is anti-Semetic, then you have probably never seen real bigotry. Ironically, anti-Catholicism is probably one of the most wide-spread and tolerated forms of bigotry in the English speaking world and your statement shows it more than my post shows any form of anti-Semetism. The belief in being chosen by God is a major part of the Jewish religion, so I don't see how stating such can be considered anti-Semetic.