CP Historical Figures Draft (Round 14) (pick anytime)

[GirlySports]

Welcome to CP Historical Figures Draft!

Draft order was determined by THIS

DRAFT BOARD

Workshop Thread

Round 14

157. Itse (ak 13,14)
158. RogueUnderoos (ak 11,12,13,14)
159. Aeneas (ak 14)
160. Troutman <--------
161. Displaced Flames fan
162. Flash_Walken (ak 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13)
163. Yeah_Baby (ak 7,8,9,10,11,12,13)
164. octothorp (ak 12,13)
165. Driveway (ak 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13)
166. berger_4_ (ak 9,10,11,12,13)
167. Montana Moe (ak 12,13)
168. Five-hole


Here are the RULES:

Draft straight-through

Objective: to draft the team consisting of the best historical figures.

There will be 16 categories.

Military Leader
Soldier
Vigilante/Outlaw/Rebel
Political Leader
Innovator/Humanitarian
Writer
Visual artist
Composer/Musician
Inventor / Scientist
Explorer / Discoverer
Thinker / Philosopher
Women
Eastern (from Turkey to Japan)
Below equator
Living
Wildcard

Person must be dead (unless selected in 'living' category)

Time to make selection is 18 hours. I like going back to the original 18 hours and it gives everyone ample time.

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Trades! you can make trades but the it has to be zero-sum since every team needs 16 people. For example Team A can trade the 1st and 40th pick to Team B for the 5th and 6th pick. Or trade a person for another person etc...There is no trade deadline however there will be no trades allowed after the very last pick.

Make use of PMs and the chatroom to negotiate.


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Switching!
At any time you can switch a person from one category to another if it qualifies.


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Team names: you are welcome to PM me your team name and I'll add it to the draft board.


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What continent a country belongs to?
We are using FIFA rules so for example Turkey and Israel belong to Europe. Borat is also European. The only exception to this rule is Australia.
Australia IS NOT IN ASIA.

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When you are selecting please state in BOLD letters who you are selecting and in what category.



example: With the 1st overall pick of the draft, GirlySport's In-Box selects Stephen Harper in the Political Leader category.



You are welcome to post 1 or 2 nice and CLEAN and not too big pictures of your selection. If you have a link to a NSFW picture please say so.

And you can use a paragraph to state your case of why you made this selection.

That's pretty much it. Any questions you can ask in here or PM me...
Please be patient as people are not always checking this forum (especially on weekends).

If you can't make your selection for a long period of time let everyone know. If you can't continue also let me know and hopefully we can find a replacement.

Also, if you are away for a period of time, you can send me a list of 3-5 picks and I will draft for you.

[Itse]

I have to go first? Every conceivable historical figure ever up for grabs... The pressure! The anxiety!

In any case, I'll have to take my time and think about this, especially since I'm working. (I'll PM a preliminary pick to Girly just in case I won't be back in time.)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Itse

I have to go first? Every conceivable historical figure ever up for grabs... The pressure! The anxiety!

In any case, I'll have to take my time and think about this, especially since I'm working. (I'll PM a preliminary pick to Girly just in case I won't be back in time.)

Errr when is IN TIME? How long do we wait?

Grrrr

[Berger_4_]

Oh for eff sakes. If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all!

[Itse]

I meant of course "back in 18 hours which is the deadline". It seems I'm back, and since I didn't really have time to think about this, I'll go with the first one that came to mind. I have trouble imagining a better choice. I'm not very good at admiring people, especially people I've only read about, but there was this one guy...

As the first overall pick, team HeroQuest is extremely proud to pick in the Political Leader category
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869 – 1948)



There are some things I value greatly, many of which are summed up in Gandhi, but there is a reason I put him in the political category. He was not only someone who was willing to fight for what he saw as good and right and who had put a great deal of thought into those matters; he could also turn ideas that are all too often ignored as lofty idealism into forces that could bring about great change.

There are many things Gandhi is remembered for, but I think two stand out the most.

First, he was essentially the inventor of non-violent political movements, leading the way for people like Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela, among many others.

Second, the guy was full of good quotes.

When asked what he thought of Western civilization, he famously replied, "I think it would be a good idea." I'm kind of still waiting for that joke to get old...

Some other good Gandhi-quotes, many of which hold as much weight today as when he said them.
- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
- The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems.
- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.
- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

[Coach]

solid first choice.

[troutman]

Can outlaw/rebel include a protestor/reformer?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Itse

As the first overall pick, team HeroQuest is extremely proud to pick in the Political Leader category
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869 – 1948)

That's an excellent pick. We see his principles on non-violent protest being used every year, most recently in Iran. He had such an enormous role in shaping the post-colonial dynamic of the world, and essentially laying out a blueprint for how the people of a country could overpower not just colonial forces but any oppressive government.

Originally Posted by troutman

Can outlaw/rebel include a protestor/reformer?

I'd vote for yes.

[4X4]

It's so early. Can I join after Berger? Pleeease?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by troutman

Can outlaw/rebel include a protestor/reformer?

I'd say so, but of course GirlySports has the opinion that counts. But I did consider putting Gandhi into Rebel-category (and might still move him there).

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by 4X4

It's so early. Can I join after Berger? Pleeease?

Again, it would be Girlysports' call, but I don't have a problem with that since there's no shortage of historical figures to go around.

[Five-hole]

I would also join if permitted. Sorry I don't check the contests board much!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I would also join if permitted. Sorry I don't check the contests board much!

You should!

Both 4X4 and Five-hold are in to make 12 (the original target). That's it no more.

In the thread title, I've also added the Calgary Time [24 hour clock] that the current pick has until..... we'll see how it works.

[RougeUnderoos]

Cripes, I'm going to get my ass kicked in the first round.

I won't have this up by 4:16. Maybe 7:16. Aeneas can go this afternoon if wants.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Cripes, I'm going to get my ass kicked in the first round.

The Commish even has Rouge going Rogue.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Commish even has Rouge going Rogue.

Yup! Glad someone's paying attention

[Aeneas]

I will pick an artist whose work astounds me. In the visual artist category,

Michelangelo Buonoratti

Sculpture
Painting
Architechture



"Michelangelo stands as a unique, almost mythic, presence in the history of art. For many, he embodies the Italian Renaissance and his work stands as its most eloquent expression. Atthough he was probably the most influential visual artist who ever lived, Michelangelo was as comfortable composing verse as he was sculpting stone, and as meticulous in supervising the details of quarrying the marble for his statues as in craftingthe details that adorn his architectural masterpieces."

-William E Wallace

For me, he is the absolute master in sculpture, and I find he also painted with few peers. The detail and realism in his art astounds.

Born 1475 Caprese.
Died 1564 Rome.

What he managed to accomplish in that time frame is staggering. I imagine most who read this will be aware of the Sistine Chapel and the statue of David, and those are two works of awe inspiring talent; but I will focus on my favorites.

Sculpture: No offense to David and the right hand of God, but for me the Pieta (Rome) defies comparison.


Note the fine details in the hands and the drapes/robes of Mary.

The tomb of Pope Julius II in SanPietro in Vincoli containing his statue of Moses is another I love. And of special note I am very fond of the Medici tombs in San Lorenzo, specifically that of Lorenzo and the attendant statues of Dawn and Dusk (below).



Painting: again we are all likely familiar with the Sistine chapel, and again I think it is brilliant; but I offer up the Doni Tondo to illustrate his painting...



This was the highlight of the Uffizi for me. Just so different from what had come before, not in content but style. It is said by scholars that nothing in his past can explain what happened. Why would Agnolo Doni commision a sculptor to do a painting? Why did he agree to do so? Michelangelo only had limited experience in tempera painting, yet created this masterpiece upon first effort.

"...the beauty, invention, and subtle intelligence of this picture."
Wallace

I won't go into all the details that experts can read from this painting. The movement, geometry, and symbolism of the holy trinity. Wallace sums it up thusly:

"In this stunningly beautiful and highly crafted object, Michelangelo presents an image of the Christian church, as history, physical space, and visible doctrine.

[Aeneas]

cont with Michelangelo..

Architecture: Other than the aforementioned Medici Chapel in San Lorenzo, Michelangelo also designed other famous buildings. St Peter's in Rome of course, and the Farnese palace. He designed the Capitoline Hill.

For me, though again those mentioned above are outstanding, I really enjoyed visiteing the Laurentian Library. The vestibule and library itself are well worth visiting. They show off his talents well.









I only wish he had lived longer and left more for us to enjoy.
I have made trips to see most of his surviving works and will certainly aim to see the rest in person before I die.

[Yeah_Baby]

Sweet Jesus, that was quite the extensive write up.

[troutman]

Team History Is Written By The Victors, selects in the Military Leader category, Francisco Pizarro González, 1st Marqués de los Atabillos (c. 1471 or 1476 – 26 June 1541):



I am currently working my way through The Conquest Of The Incas, by John Hemming. I spent some time in Peru in 1994. It is remarkable what a small group of Spanish explorers did in conquering the full might of the Inca Empire. The High Andes are extremely difficult terrain. The Spanish had horses and guns, but it is still incredible what they accomplised (I make no comment now on the morality of some of the things they did - this will come later in another pick).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizarro

Historians have often compared Pizarro and Cortés' conquests in North and South America as very similar in style and career. Pizarro, however, faced the Incas with a smaller army and fewer resources than Cortés at a much greater distance from the Spanish Caribbean outposts that could easily support him, which has led some to rank Pizarro slightly ahead of Cortés in their battles for conquest. Based on sheer numbers alone, Pizarro's military victory was one of the most improbable in recorded history. For example, Pizzarro had fewer soldiers than George Armstrong Custer did at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, while the Incas commanded forty times as many soldiers as Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca

Pizarro had 106 infantry, 62 cavalry and 4 cannons, and 12 harquebus. Only one Spaniard was wounded, while 6000 to 7000 Incas were slaughtered.

The Battle of (or Massacre at) Cajamarca was a surprise attack on the Inca royal entourage orchestrated by Francisco Pizarro. Sprung on the evening of November 16, 1532 in the great plaza of Cajamarca, the ambush claimed the lives of thousands of Incas and achieved the goal of capturing Emperor Atahualpa.



The book History Of The Conquest Of Peru, written by 19th century author William H. Prescott, recounts the dilemma the Spanish force found itself in. Any assault on the Inca armies overlooking the valley would have been suicidal. Retreat was equally out of the question, because any show of weakness might have undermined their air of invincibility, and would invite pursuit and closure of the mountain passes. Once the great stone fortresses dotting their route of escape were garrisoned, argued Pizarro, they would prove impregnable. But to do nothing, he added, was no better since prolonged contact with the natives would erode the fears of Spanish supernaturality that kept them at bay. Unlike his kinsman Hernán Cortés, whom Pizarro emulated and who could call on Spanish reinforcements 200 miles away in Veracruz, Pizarro's nearest Spanish reinforcements were 2,000 miles away in Panama.

Discovery Channel documentary in Spanish (was it ever translated to English?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbwGO...om=PL&index=19

http://videos.howstuffworks.com/hsw/...ncas-video.htm