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Old 02-12-2009, 08:29 PM   #1
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So in celebration of one of the greatest ideas ever put forth Discovery ran a show called Evolutions on 3 animals and how they've evolved into the modern Turkey, Whale, and Bear. They showed how a wolf sized land animal turned into the modern whale, etc.

Anyways, the polar bear was descended from the brown/grizzly bear because it got separated by ice and became genetically isolated from the brown bear. It grew a biggers stomach, better nose, clear outer coat etc.

With the shrinking ice, the Polar bears have now come in contact with there cousins the brown bear. Looks like they've started actually mating...enter the GROLAR Bear. Some scientists are thinking this could be a new species of bear and that we're actually witnessing evolution in action. The fact that the polar bear became isolated only a couple thousand years (IIRC) and evolved this fast and are that adaptable is astounding.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rid-photo.html

I'm just a simple engineer, but this is absolutely fascinating to me. I just caught the end of the show (PVR'd) so I will have to watch it again. Anyone else heard about this bear??
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:57 PM   #2
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There really isn't anything all that special about this bear. The Grizzly bear and Polar bear habitat have always crossed over. What is new is a confirmed case in the wild and has a lot more to do with advances in genetics that have made tests for this kind of stuff easier.

It sounds like they have made up this backstory about ice clearing and evolution as some kind of political point about global warming.

If you look at where the bear actually occured, which was on banks island:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly...ar_bear_hybrid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks_Island

There is no way global warming or receding ice had anything to do with this bear.
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"What is it?"

"A Grolar Bear - It's pretty much my favorite animal.... bred for its skills in magic."
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Anyone find any (English) videos of this online?

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Old 02-12-2009, 11:51 PM   #5
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Im pretty sure this was talked about here before, most noticeably the fact that they found a new species of bear, and then promptly killed it.

But a search found nothing. Maybe I was discussing this elsewhere.
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The story is from 2006. Looks like the killed the only one, and this evolution ended before 2007. Go humans!!
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Cross breeding does not equate to evolution, forward or backward.

The rapid evolution of the polar bear is definitely fascinating, but this thing is pretty normal. The only thing that makes it unusual is the relative low numbers of both species which mathematically limits how often this can happen.
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Old 02-13-2009, 07:24 AM   #8
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Yup, as species diverge it's not unusual for them to crossbreed. Speciation isn't a hard line it's fuzzy. A population that gets separated and starts to diverge will go through stages from easily breeding with each other to more difficult, to offspring being sterile, to not being able to breed at all.

Ring species are a good example of this.
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I prefer to call it a Pizzly Bear.
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Yup, as species diverge it's not unusual for them to crossbreed. Speciation isn't a hard line it's fuzzy. A population that gets separated and starts to diverge will go through stages from easily breeding with each other to more difficult, to offspring being sterile, to not being able to breed at all.

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... that they found a new species of bear, and then promptly killed it.
Yeah no kidding. I would like to know why they shot that thing.
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Yeah no kidding. I would like to know why they shot that thing.

If I paid $50K to go on a hunt you know damn well I'm shooting anything that moves.

Interesting to find out if this bear could have had offspring.
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I had my doubts, but the fact you have a learned looking man smoking a pipe as an avatar has convinced me.
Except that's not a pipe.
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Which bear is best?
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I've seen a black bear and a polar bear hybrid many times. In fact, I remember the Panda bear being at the Calgary zoo decades ago
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Yeah no kidding. I would like to know why they shot that thing.
Because that's one less species of bear for us to worry about. I'm pretty sure that we've discussed this kind of thing here:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=59833
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