Right America: Feeling Wronged

[flip]

By Alexandra Pelosi.
(daughter of Democrat Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House)

Very good review here.

A somewhat liberal view of the Republican campaign trail leading up to the recent election. Nothing really new here, mostly just reinforces my fears that a significant number of Americans are lunatics.

I set my PVR to tape it last night and I'm about half done now. Knowing HBO it'll be on 20 more times so if you get HBO Canada I highly suggest taping this.


Also really good recently was the NOVA called The Spy Factory about the NSA. Some crazy stuff about how much they knew before 9/11 along with a bunch of cool info about the NSA in general.

[Agamemnon]

Saw both of those, both were very interesting. The NSA one is a bit scary... seems they pretty much wilfully inhibited intelligence sharing with the FBI when it could have meant capturing the 9/11 hi-jackers before the big event went down.

[Tower]

But if they new about it.... And didn't do anything about it!!!!! Is that not like pulling the trigger themselves?!! But why would that happen? What would they gain!!!?

[Thor]

It was interesting, I found it fulfilled some stereotypes on the redneck voters but too see the fear these people had if they lost was pretty crazy.

You should look for her same documentary on Ted Haggard:

http://www.hbocanada.com/details/?id=48789

Whats really sad is how un-Christian his followers and friends become after they exile his family out of Colorado for 1yr.

I hated the guy before the scandal, but boy do you ever realize just how judgmental, unforgiving and nasty the evangelicals are if you mess up big. Wheres the forgiveness and not judging you hypocrites.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by flip

mostly just reinforces my fears that a significant number of Americans are lunatics.

I hear you. Where ever I go in the States I run into a bunch of overall wearing hicks, waiving pitch forks and shot gun rifles, yelling about killing "N" words. Calling everyone that isn't a white protestant a terrorist. We should just nuke that whole country.

[tjinaz]

Michael Moore is nearly unbiased compared to this chick.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Michael Moore is nearly unbiased compared to this chick.

Michael Moore is Jesus-like and, to me, his views are logical.

However, this Pelosi lady is pretty biased, but does have some sound points.

[flip]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Michael Moore is nearly unbiased compared to this chick.

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Michael Moore is Jesus-like and, to me, his views are logical.

However, this Pelosi lady is pretty biased, but does have some sound points.

I imagine she has bias, especially being the daughter of a high ranking Dem. but comparing her to Michael Moore is crazy.

He purposely edits his material and interviews to paint people in an intentionally misleading light. Pelosi may spotlight some of the more extreme attitudes but the fact remains a significant number of midwesterners and southerners share these ultra right wing socially conservative views.

I think the review I linked says it all. She obviously has an agenda but maintains a policy that appears to let the views flow out of these people naturally, even if it is blatantly obvious that the more extreme views/controversial comments are in the movie and the moderate republican views are marginalized. But you have to keep in mind she follows McCain through the midwest, not the whole country. As the review I linked states:

In Oxford, Mississippi, Pelosi asks a series of customers at a gas station how they feel about Obama. Frankly, the question seems to bait them, as she’s warned by one fellow that the area is still full of “prejudiced people.” One man walks away from her camera as he asserts straight up, “I ain’t voting for no n*****.” Pelosi turns the camera on two black men who’ve watched the exchange. One is irate: “She come all the way from New York to interview a white boy that use the word ‘n*****,’” he says. “And they gonna put it in HBO and use it to paint Mississippi bad. Like they don’t say ‘n*****’ in New York, like they don’t say ‘cracker’ or ‘honky’ out in L.A. You should be ashamed of yourself, Miss Liberal.” His point is well taken. The film keeps focused on the “real America” defined by Palin, the one apart from cities and coasts, the one where men wear overalls and churches advertise their faith in her as the righteous, right candidate.

Displaying the passions of McCain and Palin supporters, Right America is not revelatory or even very surprising. Neither does it pretend to be unbiased. It is, instead, a personal sort of representation, as she asks mostly useful and not always decorous questions, doesn’t confront her subjects but instead engages with them, charming them with the promise of a chance to express themselves. In these encounters, the camera does most of the work, whether in interview close-ups or instructive B-roll shots, and Right America, like her other work (Journeys With George, Friends of God) constructs a sort of intimacy with the “other side” while also maintaining its own recognizable political sensibility, a view of what’s at stake in these ongoing debates and a faith in communication that remains undaunted.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Thor

It was interesting, I found it fulfilled some stereotypes on the redneck voters but too see the fear these people had if they lost was pretty crazy.

You should look for her same documentary on Ted Haggard:

http://www.hbocanada.com/details/?id=48789

Whats really sad is how un-Christian his followers and friends become after they exile his family out of Colorado for 1yr.

I hated the guy before the scandal, but boy do you ever realize just how judgmental, unforgiving and nasty the evangelicals are if you mess up big. Wheres the forgiveness and not judging you hypocrites.

I kinda feel sorry for ol' Ted, but he's made his bed (it may have a prostitute in it), so he's got to lie in it.

Maybe he was too good at his job? All those judgmental, unforgiving, nasty people did learn how to be judgmental, unforgiving and nasty from him.

How people continually fall for these shysters is beyond me. And the funny thing is, in no time at all he'll have another set of rubes following him along.

There has to be some sort of correlation between how pious and pure you claim to be in public and how depraved you are privately. Ted got pinched with a hooker and some crystal meth. Makes you wonder what he was up to that he didn't get caught doing. You know it was something.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Michael Moore is Jesus-like and, to me, his views are logical.

However, this Pelosi lady is pretty biased, but does have some sound points.

Haha, I hope this is sarcasm.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by peter12

Haha, I hope this is sarcasm.

The last point was, but I truly believe Michael Moore's biased points are logical. I don't want to get into why gay marriage is only right, why universal health care is essential, why capitalism isn't fair, or why all wars are unnecessary, but all of Michael Moore's viewpoints are logical IMO.

P.S. I've read ALL of his books and I'm not just coming to this conclusion from what i've seen on his movies.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

The last point was, but I truly believe Michael Moore's biased points are logical. I don't want to get into why gay marriage is only right, why universal health care is essential, why capitalism isn't fair, or why all wars are unnecessary, but all of Michael Moore's viewpoints are logical IMO.

P.S. I've read ALL of his books and I'm not just coming to this conclusion from what i've seen on his movies.

Why not find a hero (I'm not chastising) who shares Moore's viewpoints but doesn't find it necessary to lie to make them?

A liar with sound logic is still a liar.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why not find a hero (I'm not chastising) who shares Moore's viewpoints but doesn't find it necessary to lie to make them?

A liar with sound logic is still a liar.

Karl Marx isn't a hero type. Barack Obama is a hero type, but I don't agree with everything he believes. Immortal Technique is a bit too hardcore for me...

Any suggestions on who holds the same viewpoints as Michael Moore, but is more "credible"?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

The last point was, but I truly believe Michael Moore's biased points are logical. I don't want to get into why gay marriage is only right, why universal health care is essential, why capitalism isn't fair, or why all wars are unnecessary, but all of Michael Moore's viewpoints are logical IMO.

P.S. I've read ALL of his books and I'm not just coming to this conclusion from what i've seen on his movies.

You'd probably find better argued positions from individuals who are far more honest and intelligent than Mikey Moore.

It's a lot easier to be a utopian dope like Moore, instead of having to deal with the realistic trade-offs of public policy.

I think I'd ask Michael Moore, "how" and "why" to everyone one of those positions you just stated. Not saying that I agree or disagree with any of them, I just don't think he could justify them at all.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Karl Marx isn't a hero type. Barack Obama is a hero type, but I don't agree with everything he believes. Immortal Technique is a bit too hardcore for me...

Any suggestions on who holds the same viewpoints as Michael Moore, but is more "credible"?

Well, now you're looking to just be told what to believe.

How about you read something from somebody who totally disagrees with Michael Moore and then make up your own mind?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Karl Marx isn't a hero type. Barack Obama is a hero type, but I don't agree with everything he believes. Immortal Technique is a bit too hardcore for me...

Any suggestions on who holds the same viewpoints as Michael Moore, but is more "credible"?

Not really, because I don't share your opinion about many (not all) of his viewpoints.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by peter12

You'd probably find better argued positions from individuals who are far more honest and intelligent than Mikey Moore.

It's a lot easier to be a utopian dope like Moore, instead of having to deal with the realistic trade-offs of public policy.

I think I'd ask Michael Moore, "how" and "why" to everyone one of those positions you just stated. Not saying that I agree or disagree with any of them, I just don't think he could justify them at all.

Good point. Utopianism is easy to state, but to come up with ways he/she is going to accomplish them is more difficult. That is the reason why Barack Obama is the closest I've ever seen to a person who can create a utopian world.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Good point. Utopianism is easy to state, but to come up with ways he/she is going to accomplish them is more difficult. That is the reason why Barack Obama is the closest I've ever seen to a person who can create a utopian world.

Curious, what makes you say that about Obama?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Good point. Utopianism is easy to state, but to come up with ways he/she is going to accomplish them is more difficult. That is the reason why Barack Obama is the closest I've ever seen to a person who can create a utopian world.

Those are big words there at the end of the last sentence, but I think you make a valid point. Obama is seen, even by political opponents, as a man of integrity and intelligence. His election has changed the United States without changing it.

Good stuff, IMO. Would've been swell if he could've inheirted a more friendly situation. We might be seeing some real dynamic stuff going on right now. As it is, he's going to have to dig out of the hole before that can happen.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Good point. Utopianism is easy to state, but to come up with ways he/she is going to accomplish them is more difficult. That is the reason why Barack Obama is the closest I've ever seen to a person who can create a utopian world.

That's a fail.

Read "Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek. Utopianism is a fallacy and one of the most dangerous ideas ever.