Ok, I consider myself somewhat of a crop circle buff. There are a ton of theories out there as to how they are made and whatnot. I think they are amazing and they have always made me think.
I am a firm believer that something 'special' is the cause of them but I don't think anyone knows for sure how the heck they are made. Anyone who thinks they are ALL made by people during the night are crazy. Some of the intricate ones would be impossible to create by a human IMO.
There are many crop circles that have been discovered that use very precise math.
What do you guys think? All man made or something else? What else could it be? Little green aliens or some strange force of nature we don't know about.
I have a hunch but I will wait and see what you guys think first.
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
I am a firm believer that something 'special' is the cause of them but I don't think anyone knows for sure how the heck they are made. Anyone who thinks they are ALL made by people during the night are crazy. Some of the intricate ones would be impossible to create by a human IMO.
Impossible?
We've seen exactly how they do it, its not only humanly possible, but really not that hard if you bothered to see the truth before your eyes.
Yes its more fun to imagine some great power doing it, aliens, gnomes, or whatever you want to imagine.
But this stuff is simply and quite clearly the work of artists.
Why do you want to imagine it to be anything else?
I am a firm believer that something 'special' is the cause of them but I don't think anyone knows for sure how the heck they are made. Anyone who thinks they are ALL made by people during the night are crazy. Some of the intricate ones would be impossible to create by a human IMO.
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It always amazes me, the limits that so many people put on their imagination or their belief in what mankind is capable of. "This must be done by aliens, that must be made by god, etc."
If we can build amazing cities and even goto the moon...flattening a few yards of of wheat into an abstract or geometric pattern overnight as a prank or as an expression of art is nothing.
It always amazes me, the limits that so many people put on their imagination or their belief in the unknown. "This must be done by man, there are no aliens or god, etc."
I'd be inclined to say believing that humans do everything is a far more restrictive limit on ones imagination than the belief in aliens, faeries or god.
Most, if not all, crop circles are probably due to pranksters. For example, Doug Bower and David Chorley admit to hoaxing approximately 250 circles over many years.
Skeptics have long known how a small group of hoaxers can easily produce a crop circle. The two circles we made in recent weeks are valuable hands-on experiments that take CSICOP beyond the realm of mere armchair debunking. We learned that domestic grains like oats are better than wild grasses. We also better understood just how quickly patterns can be made with simple implements—all of which can be carried over one's shoulder and in a backpack. The tools necessary to survey the geometry are no more complicated than a length of rope. (We used a tape measure, but that could easily be eliminated by marking certain lengths on a rope with colored tape.) Finally, after trampling down both crop circles on hot summer days, we recognized yet another reason for performing such hoaxes in the cool of the night with flashlights.
Crop Circle Confession How to get the wheat down in the dead of night
By Matt Ridley
Count me as a skeptic in all regards. The vast majority are obvious hoaxes, and for me the more mathmatically complex the designs are, the more likely they're created by humans. But I have a hard time believing that all of them are created by garden-variety hoaxers, particularly those circles that have a range of phenomena that MIT students had difficulty recreating - magnetized iron particles in the soil and radiation. I'm also skeptical that humans have been creating all the crop circles in europe over the last 400 years, when the first admitted hoaxers only stepped forward in the last couple decades. If the circles then were human-made, they must have had very different motives from the humans creating them today; some occult ceremony? We have a lot of occult and pagan texts from that era, and no mention of creating crop circles, although those crop circles that did exist were explained as being the creation of a 'mowing devil'. Perhaps there were individuals who would try to scare others by making them believe that such a demon was in their crops?
I'm still waiting for an explanation that completely satisfies me, but the most likely is a combination of unknown natural phenomena creating a small number of simple circles complete with the radiation and magnetic anomalies, and then a large number of hoaxers starting with this basic concept and creating vast and complex designs, while generally ignoring replicating the anomalies.
I am a firm believer that something 'special' is the cause of them but I don't think anyone knows for sure how the heck they are made. Anyone who thinks they are ALL made by people during the night are crazy. Some of the intricate ones would be impossible to create by a human IMO.
There are many crop circles that have been discovered that use very precise math.
So humans don't know how to use precise math?
Your statement is an argument from personal incredulity; you don't know how they could be created so you decide that they're not created by humans. That's a logical fallacy.
I've never seen a crop circle that doesn't look like something that could easily be drawn up in Matlab with some knowledge of math and a bit of time.
Show me a crop circle that actually has NEW math in it, or demonstrates knowledge that we didn't have before the crop circle, then I'll be impressed.
I'll recommend to you what I always recommend to others, read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan and then come back and look at the whole crop circle thing.
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