Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-03-2008, 08:05 PM   #1
Canada 02
Franchise Player
 
Canada 02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Exp:
Default Waterboarding - Believe me, It's torture

In this Vanity Fair column, Christopher Hitchens looks into the procedure of waterboarding, including submitting to the procedure himself.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...?currentPage=1

Video of him undergoing the procedure

Canada 02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:11 PM   #2
BlackArcher101
Such a pretty girl!
 
BlackArcher101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

What the hell? I've never heard of this until now. This is messed.
__________________
BlackArcher101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:22 PM   #3
Canada 02
Franchise Player
 
Canada 02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Exp:
Default

definitely not what I pictured from the news reports. I thought the victim's face would be placed under flowing water, a tap or hose. Still this looks rather benign on the surface, but the more I think about it and watch his reaction, it really looks horrible.

I imagine it messes with you mind as much as it suffocates or drowns you.
Canada 02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:23 PM   #4
HelloHockeyFans
n00b!
 
HelloHockeyFans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Exp:
Default

Heh, my friends were talking about this other day, and one of my buddies volunteered to let us do it to him until he gives up...
HelloHockeyFans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:28 PM   #5
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Gotta respect Hitchens for going through it, and being willing to reverse his decision based on what he experienced.
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:46 PM   #6
HotHotHeat
Franchise Player
 
HotHotHeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
Exp:
Default

Incredibly disturbing.
HotHotHeat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 08:57 PM   #7
metallicat
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Exp:
Default

I thought it would be a lot more intense than that, but clearly it doesn't take much water for the effects to take place.
metallicat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:14 PM   #8
Ro
#1 Goaltender
 
Ro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kelowna
Exp:
Default

I can't believe how quickly he submitted. But it makes sense after reading this:

Quote:
You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered. This was very rapidly brought home to me when, on top of the hood, which still admitted a few flashes of random and worrying strobe light to my vision, three layers of enveloping towel were added. In this pregnant darkness, head downward, I waited for a while until I abruptly felt a slow cascade of water going up my nose. Determined to resist if only for the honor of my navy ancestors who had so often been in peril on the sea, I held my breath for a while and then had to exhale and—as you might expect—inhale in turn. The inhalation brought the damp cloths tight against my nostrils, as if a huge, wet paw had been suddenly and annihilatingly clamped over my face. Unable to determine whether I was breathing in or out, and flooded more with sheer panic than with mere water, I triggered the pre-arranged signal and felt the unbelievable relief of being pulled upright and having the soaking and stifling layers pulled off me. I find I don’t want to tell you how little time I lasted.
Ro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:22 PM   #9
metallicat
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Exp:
Default

That is frightening.
metallicat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:24 PM   #10
Frank the Tank
First Line Centre
 
Frank the Tank's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: London, Ontario
Exp:
Default

That is effed up. I'd be done in 2 seconds flat.
__________________


"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
Frank the Tank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:32 PM   #11
Canada 02
Franchise Player
 
Canada 02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
The inhalation brought the damp cloths tight against my nostrils, as if a huge, wet paw had been suddenly and annihilatingly clamped over my face.


I wonder if it would help to breathe thru your mouth in that situation?
Canada 02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:33 PM   #12
Thor
God of Hating Twitter
 
Thor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Exp:
Default

My respect for Hitchens just went up that much more.
Thor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:34 PM   #13
AC
Resident Videologist
 
AC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Really scary stuff. I didn't think I could respect Hitchens any more that I already do, and then he does something like this.
AC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:37 PM   #14
Kipper is King
Pants Tent
 
Kipper is King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Exp:
Default

Wow. I wasn't expecting it to be that quick. Scary.
__________________
KIPPER IS KING
Kipper is King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:48 PM   #15
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

I don't know what I expected when I heard about waterboarding, but not that. I'm sure that I would be out immediately as it would terrifying. I thought that there would be a lot more water involved though, and that it wouldn't look so tame in some ways.
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:50 PM   #16
HOZ
Lifetime Suspension
 
HOZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Exp:
Default

Pips to Hitchens.
HOZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:00 PM   #17
FireFly
Franchise Player
 
FireFly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Bah. He's just not trained for something like that. I bet a person could be taught how to deal with that.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimbl420 View Post
I can wash my penis without taking my pants off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyhands23 View Post
If edmonton wins the cup in the next decade I will buy everyone on CP a bottle of vodka.
FireFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:00 PM   #18
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Micheal Yon wrote an article about torture too. Basically said that the US shouldn't be making it legal because it separates, or SHOULD separate the US from the 'terrorists.'

And in the circumstance where the interrogator DOES use it...and it DOES prevent an imminent attack, the President can pardon him later on.

But it shouldn't be legal. And he states some pretty good reasons for it.
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:01 PM   #19
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FireFly View Post
Bah. He's just not trained for something like that. I bet a person could be taught how to deal with that.
IIRC, every single interrogator that uses it as a 'method' to extract information has been put through this before, and every single one of them cracked within 10 seconds. Even despite extensive training on how to resist torture.
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:02 PM   #20
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

I was expecting something like of Prison break when they put the plastic over the girls head and poored water over her face.
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:39 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy