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FlamingC · 07-21-2009, 02:37 PM

I thought that this warranted its own thread. If Michael Vick is not reinstated into the NFL (which it seems that he won't be this year), could he play in a league like the CFL? Or is it because of his conviction that he is not allowed outside of the US let alone into Canada for whatever reason. Thoughts? Legal experts?

Where else could this guy play in order to get into game shape (basically one year of training camp)? The arena league is out.

FlamingC

malcolmk14 · 07-21-2009, 02:41 PM

Even with the time he's missed being in prison, Michael Vick would absolutely destroy the CFL.

The UFL is also an option.

I see him getting back into the NFL, myself.

Bobblehead · 07-21-2009, 02:42 PM

After the Ricky Williams signing, the CFL instituted a rule that they would honour NFL suspensions. Since he is currently suspended indefinitely he won't be in the CFL.

CaptainCrunch · 07-21-2009, 02:44 PM

He'll play a season in th UFL which wants to be an NFL feeder league, and if he does well, he'll have people clamering at his door with an NFL contract.

calgaryrocks · 07-21-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by malcolmk14

Even with the time he's missed being in prison, Michael Vick would absolutely destroy the CFL.

The UFL is also an option.

I see him getting back into the NFL, myself.

he would not destroy the CFL, he hasn't played in a year and probably has never seen, not to mention played Cfl style football. he would be good after a few games, and great near the end of the season, but as another poster mentioned, I think the CFL would like to stay away from NFL outcasts. I guess Winterpeg could sign him, as they don't have a legit qb, but I would think he will make a roster spot on an NFL team if he goes to training camp

OILFAN #81 · 07-21-2009, 02:58 PM

Vick would destroy the CFL. He's miles ahead of any CFL QB. I think he will need some time to get back into game shape, but he is still an NFL QB. Before all of this he was one of the top 10 QB's in the NFL. I think he will be back in the NFL in 2010-2011 for sure. Not sure about this year. What I find stupid is he got 23 months for a dogfighting ring (think it is dumb what he did and not supporting it at all) yet Stallworth gets 24 days in prison for killing someone with his car.

OILFAN #81 · 07-21-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

he would not destroy the CFL, he hasn't played in a year and probably has never seen, not to mention played Cfl style football. he would be good after a few games, and great near the end of the season, but as another poster mentioned, I think the CFL would like to stay away from NFL outcasts. I guess Winterpeg could sign him, as they don't have a legit qb, but I would think he will make a roster spot on an NFL team if he goes to training camp

He totally would destroy the CFL.

Calvillo, Ray, and Burris are among the top CFL QB's right? Not to mention CFL defense are nowhere near as good as NFL defense.

Vick is miles ahead of them. Vick was one of the top 5-10 QB's in the NFL and with a few months of training would get back to that. He would be the best CFL QB easily.

Pagal4321 · 07-21-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

He totally would destroy the CFL.

Calvillo, Ray, and Burris are among the top CFL QB's right? Not to mention CFL defense are nowhere near as good as NFL defense.

Vick is miles ahead of them. Vick was one of the top 5-10 QB's in the NFL and with a few months of training would get back to that. He would be the best CFL QB easily.

I think you meant to say athletes and not QB's. Vick is a horrible passer.

united · 07-21-2009, 03:24 PM

It's a waiting game for Goodell for the time being.
I think with time he will be back in the NFL, no questions about that.

Hopefully he signs in Calgary so I can have a week of laughing at CsInMyBlood losing his mind over what an atrocity it is.

Iggyscoresgoals · 07-21-2009, 03:26 PM

No Vick is not a top 5-10 QB in the NFL, and people thinking he would destory the CFL are kidding themselves. The CFL is not a bunch of stepover players, they get paid and have pride as well. Vick is a awful passer, his 50% completion rate is terrible. Hes a great athlete, with a cannon arm, but the mental smarts of playing the QB position of a baby. Its not like we are talking about Tom Brady here.

calgaryrocks · 07-21-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I think you meant to say athletes and not QB's. Vick is a horrible passer.

yep, and the CFL is a passing league, even an nfl star needs some time to get used to a different game. would he tear up the CFL with a full year of training camp and season, by the playoffs? maybe he would. but the season is already a quarter over and Vick hasn't played in 2 years. that is a long time for any athlete.

malcolmk14 · 07-21-2009, 03:28 PM

I don't know if I'd call him a "horrible" passer. By NFL standards, yeah, he has been near the bottom of the league. In the CFL though, I imagine it would be like playground (or prison yard

) football for him. He tore up college and passed for a 127 passer rating in 2000 at Virginia Tech. His career passer rating is comparable to guys like Jon Kitna and Eli Manning. Those guys would tear apart the CFL. He's shown he can throw the ball somewhat effectively with almost 3000 yards and an 81.6 rating in 2002.

He's a three-time pro bowler in his athletic prime, and capable of passing for 2,500 and rushing for 1,000 yards in the NFL, where the defense is a lot faster, meaner, and smarter than in the CFL. No doubt he is one freak of an athlete, and you can bet any CFL team would be clamoring to have him on their team, even the ones with effective CFL quarterbacks right now.

mykalberta · 07-21-2009, 03:30 PM

He cant complete passes - pass on him in the CFL. The NFL can keep those criminal types.

Classic CFL hate from the same posters.

Sainters7 · 07-21-2009, 03:38 PM

He doesn't have the greatest passing arm for sure, but it's not as bad as some are making it out to be. Over the years of watching him play, I saw alot of dropped passes by a historically subpar Falcons WR corps. I think Vick would be extremely exciting in the CFL, especially on the ground. Being a Saints fan, I've had the misfortune of watching him play against my team's leaky D twice a year the past few years, and its always a frustrating affair. I don't know how he does some of the things he does on the ground, he's a freak. Put him on a field that is 12 yards wider, and where defences are smaller, and you're going to see a show.

It doesn't matter though, as like someone already mentioned, after the Ricky Williams experiment the CFL instated a rule that anyone who is suspended by the NFL cannot play in the CFL(not to mention Vick already said a couple days ago he has no interest in playing in the CFL or AFL).

Pagal4321 · 07-21-2009, 03:39 PM

I'm in the group that he would tear up the CFL, but to call him a top 10 QB in the NFL is silly.

His rushing game alone would thrive with the 1 yard gap between the defense and the offense.

mykalberta · 07-21-2009, 03:42 PM

Who was the other NFL throwup that came to the CFL that was supposed to "tear it up"

Was it dope Williams? He had tonnes of success in the CFL. The NFL can keep him, that style of play deserves him.

ESPN said he wont be coming to CFL, they said UFL.

Sainters7 · 07-21-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mykalberta

Who was the other NFL throwup that came to the CFL that was supposed to "tear it up"

Was it dope Williams? He had tonnes of success in the CFL. The NFL can keep him, that style of play deserves him.

ESPN said he wont be coming to CFL, they said UFL.

I'm definitely in the camp that the NFL isn't world's better than the CFL skill-wise, and that there's alot of players in the CFL who could probably be playing NFL ball right now. Though I also don't agree with some people who feel the athletes in both leagues are "equal but different". The NFL IMO clearly has the better athletes(and IMO is the better game).

Ricky Williams was different. He's a N/S runner, someone you hand the rock to 20-25 times a game and will grind out a win. This is not suited for the 3-down CFL game, where scatbacks rule the ground. Ricky played poorer than I thought he would up here, but I still knew he'd be a disappointment considering all the hype he came here with.

Vick is a different situation. With his running ability, he is perfectly suited to the CFL game(when's the last time you saw a dominant, statuesque QB in this league? It's basically a pre-requisite for CFL QB's to know how to scramble, at least a little). I'm not saying he'd become hands-down the greatest player in CFL history or something like that. But I also think he'd be the most exciting player we'd have seen in this league in a long time, possibly ever.

Pagal4321 · 07-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Holy myk, this is a hyptothetical scenario.

I don't think any of us are referring to the CFL as some playground league or anything. But Vick is a physical specimen, that wishbone offense in Atlanta worked pretty well. Teams have to compensate for his SUPERB scrambling ability, and when they are paying attention to that, it would cause huge problems for the secondary.

If you think there is CFL hate getting spewed in this thread, that's your opintion, but then may I suggest you close it instead of getting your panties in a twist.

calgaryrocks · 07-21-2009, 04:07 PM

haha, yep, very hypothetical, it won't happen. I think what Myk is referring to is that often people fall all over themselves for anyone that played in the nfl and think guys playing in the cfl couldn't make a college team, when in reality there isn't a huge gap. many players come up to the CFL don't make it, even though they set records in college (Timmy Chang?). but I would agree that his running game would give him a good start, qbs in the CFL need to be able to scramble, and he can sure do that. he might find it tougher with only 2 downs, but his legs would give him a good start until he can get a passing rythym/chemistry with his players. as i mentioned earlier, he hasn't played in 2 years, and the CFL season is already in week 4. he wouldn't destroy the CFL at the moment, but in his prime he would likely be the best qb as he is of the right type of player for the CFL style. but he isn't in his prime. and no CFL team can sign him, nor does he want to come here, so it is purely hypothetical.
He would be successful, but by no means would he destroy the league, especially if his teammates don't want to play for him...

OILFAN #81 · 07-21-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Holy myk, this is a hyptothetical scenario.

I don't think any of us are referring to the CFL as some playground league or anything. But Vick is a physical specimen, that wishbone offense in Atlanta worked pretty well. Teams have to compensate for his SUPERB scrambling ability, and when they are paying attention to that, it would cause huge problems for the secondary.

If you think there is CFL hate getting spewed in this thread, that's your opintion, but then may I suggest you close it instead of getting your panties in a twist.

Agreed. I wasn't hating on the CFL either. I'm a hardcore fan of the NFL and not so much of the CFL but this is Michael Vick. He is a fantastic athlete and IMO would be the best QB in the CFL. There are good players in the CFL who have gone on to good careers in the NFL so obviously there is talent in the CFL.

In terms of my earlier comment on Vick. I said he was a top 10 QB. He was a pro-bowler in 2003, 2004, 2005. That would make him one of the top 10 QB's in the NFL IMO in that time period.