Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Canada's Hate Laws

[Thor]

As we are inspired by this young woman's amazing escape from the religion of Islam, her words, her story, her message... We here in Canada are fighting a battle of freedom of speech as has been brought up here with regards to Canada's hate laws.

My question to you all, is firstly, does Islam deserve special protection from free thought/criticism, and more importantly what in a free society deserves protection of criticism if anything.

Its scary that in many ways Canada is such a beneficiary of great freedom and tolerance, while speech if it involves 'groups' most often religious groups is put under 'hate speech'...

We all know the battle the Western Standard and Ezra Levant had to battle over just this issue.

My question is mostly to those of us considered 'liberal' and how you feel appeasing Islam is going to be the solution to its aggressive, violent, expansion into the west.

I just feel as much as Ezra annoys the hell out of me, that his battle is something all of us should fight for.

But more importantly, do enjoy 30 mins of Ayaan who is a real treat to listen to, and even though my deep concern of the rise of Islam is very real it is someone like her that reminds me there is some hope, albeit slight to our future.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaMHiMsRuY

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COn4K...eature=related

[jolinar of malkshor]

I didn't view the You Tube posts yet. You raise very good questions that everyone should answer for themselves.

My belief is that no person, religion or organization should be exempt from the freedom of speech with regards to questioning and criticizing. If we start limiting the ability to question anything in our society we no longer become a free country.

I don't understand why there is this belief that we cannot talk, question or more importantly criticize the ideas of Islam. We can do it with almost any other religion yet because the extremists have said that criticizing Islam is blasphemous and against their religion, many people in the west decide that it is racist to do such a thing.

It is becoming so extreme now that we have these Human rights commissions that were originally set up to prevent work place discrimination now being used to censor freedom of speech and on the verge of censoring freedom of thought. Now, it only needs to be proven that you have offended someone to be found guilty in these circus courts. It's as if we have a new human right that has developed that it is a fundemental right not to be offended by someone.

What really burns me is that this is not on anyones radar. No one really cares because unless they have been hauled infront of these kangaroo courts they have no idea how bad it is.

Listen to this storey: Someone I know had a problem at school when I was in high school. She was hispanic and spoke spanish and english. She had a meeting with the principal about finding a way to participate in the graduation cerimony because she had been sick for about 6 months prior to graduation and did not have enough credits to graduate. The meeting was with her, her father and the principal. The principal decided that she could not walk with the group of graduates because she did not have the required credits. During the meeting the father became angry and started to talk in spanish to his daughter and the principal. The principal tried to calm everyone down and suggested that everyone speak english so he knew what was being said. The father took offence to that comment and hauled him in front of the human rights commission.

The commission decided that the principal should never have asked him to speak english and fined him $1000.

GOOD GOD people. This is a principal that everyone at the school liked and respected, students, teachers and parents. But according to the Human RIghts Circus gurus the principal violated the fathers HUMAN RIGHTS. Where in the declaration of Human RIghts by the UN does it say that a Human Right is to speak what ever language you want and no one can ASK you to do otherwise.

[transplant99]

I don't understand why there is this belief that we cannot talk, question or more importantly criticize the ideas of Islam. We can do it with almost any other religion yet because the extremists have said that criticizing Islam is blasphemous and against their religion, many people in the west decide that it is racist to do such a thing.

This has always astounded me.....mainly because being Islamic/Muslim is not being part of a RACE. Its a religion....and anyone does and can choose to follow it, no matter what color/creed/nationality you originate from.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This has always astounded me.....mainly because being Islamic/Muslim is not being part of a RACE. Its a religion....and anyone does and can choose to follow it, no matter what color/creed/nationality you originate from.

Exactly, but that is what people are labled if they criticize it. More semantics than anything.

[Azure]

Nope, no religion should deserve special treatment. Especially from the government.

And Ezra shouldn't have to fight in order to publish a bunch of comics, nor should he receive threatening emails because he went through with it.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nope, no religion should deserve special treatment. Especially from the government.

And Ezra shouldn't have to fight in order to publish a bunch of comics, nor should he receive threatening emails because he went through with it.

Nor should he be on the hook for, what was it, $100,000 legal bill?

[Muta]

I'll criticize the Islam religion all I want, whenever I feel like it. I won't critcize the people themselves, just the religion. If I found something to disagree about the way the religion is conducted or the implications of it, then I will have no hesitations putting my thoughts on the line if I was so inclined.

Everyone should have the right to criticize Islam, just the same as Christianity, Buddhism, whatever. I fail to see where people DON'T have the right to do that.

[killer_carlson]

I think that as Canadians, it is perfectly permissable to be intolerant towards intolerance.

I have no time for aryians, anti-semites, gay bashers, radicals, etc. I think we need to do a better job of stamping out those thoughts and comments in our society. It doesn't always need to be a confrontation, but I do think people should be called out on intolerance.

I also have no time for those that use minority status as a weapon. Thankfully there are precious few of these folks out there, but they can really cause problems for the (overwhelmingly) large majority who are here to add to Canadian culture.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Thor

My question is mostly to those of us considered 'liberal' and how you feel appeasing Islam is going to be the solution to its aggressive, violent, expansion into the west.

My question to you is "when did you stop beating your wife"?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Wtf? ^^^

Am I missing something?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

My question to you is "when did you stop beating your wife"?

Baffled.

[jonesy]

I think it means that if you espouse any sort of view that can be considered 'right wing' he will oppose you and call you names. Or maybe he is just drunk.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Thor

Baffled.

I am a "liberal" and I live in the west. There is not an "aggressive, violent expansion of Islam" happening where I live.

You asked a leading question. So did I.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I am a "liberal" and I live in the west. There is not an "aggressive, violent expansion of Islam" happening where I live.

You asked a leading question. So did I.

So if its not happening where you live you are just fine, congrats

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Thor

So if its not happening where you live you are just fine, congrats

Aye, fair enough.

Where exactly do you live that this "violent, aggressive expansion" is happening?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I think it means that if you espouse any sort of view that can be considered 'right wing' he will oppose you and call you names. Or maybe he is just drunk.

I'm always drunk. I don't remember calling anyone names though.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Aye, fair enough.

Where exactly do you live that this "violent, aggressive expansion" is happening?

Judging by his name. Denmark?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Thor

As we are inspired by this young woman's amazing escape from the religion of Islam, her words, her story, her message... We here in Canada are fighting a battle of freedom of speech as has been brought up here with regards to Canada's hate laws.

My question to you all, is firstly, does Islam deserve special protection from free thought/criticism, and more importantly what in a free society deserves protection of criticism if anything.

Its scary that in many ways Canada is such a beneficiary of great freedom and tolerance, while speech if it involves 'groups' most often religious groups is put under 'hate speech'...

We all know the battle the Western Standard and Ezra Levant had to battle over just this issue.

My question is mostly to those of us considered 'liberal' and how you feel appeasing Islam is going to be the solution to its aggressive, violent, expansion into the west.

I just feel as much as Ezra annoys the hell out of me, that his battle is something all of us should fight for.

But more importantly, do enjoy 30 mins of Ayaan who is a real treat to listen to, and even though my deep concern of the rise of Islam is very real it is someone like her that reminds me there is some hope, albeit slight to our future.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaMHiMsRuY

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COn4K...eature=related

If you read my tag below you can see what Erza and Steyn and MacLean's are up against. No one and no religion is above criticism. If you feel the criticism is unfair you are FREE to OPENLY debate the criticism. Freedom of speech means freedom to offend. Period! The CHRC and their fridns all over the country have gone WAY past their mandate and are now actively censoring anyone they feel is not PC enough for them. WHat is worse they troll for hate because they need to make work for themselves. If you actually go an take time to read Lavants site you will get a rundown of how incidious these people are.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I thoughts the Mods of CRHC would have closed this thread by now. Apparently, you can't criticize Islam, so it's a miracle this thread still lives.

[stuck_in_chuk]

For those interested, there is a short film called Fitna which is available here, which has earned a fatwa against the director. The film shows acts of Islamic terrorism and hate speech against infidels juxtaposed with references from the Quran used by terrorists to justify their crimes.