Interesting article for the Artsy-Fartsies

[HOZ]

Art and (Wo)man at Yale
By MICHAEL J. LEWIS
April 24, 2008; Page D9

Has any work of art been more reviled than Aliza Shvarts's senior project at Yale? Andres Serrano's photograph of a crucifix suspended in his own urine did not lack for articulate champions. Nor did Damien Hirst's vitrine with its doleful rotting cow's head. But Ms. Shvarts's performance of "repeated self-induced miscarriages" has left even them silent. According to her project description, she inseminated herself with sperm from voluntary donors "from the 9th to the 15th day of my menstrual cycle . . . so as to insure the possibility of fertilization." Later she would induce a miscarriage by means of an herbal abortifacient. (Or so she claimed; whether she actually did any of this remains unclear.)


It is often said that great achievement requires in one's formative years two teachers: a stern taskmaster who teaches the rules and an inspirational guru who teaches one to break the rules. But they must come in that order

[fatso]

why is this an "Interesting article for artsy-fartsies"?

[jammies]

So your response to a "provoking" piece of "art" is to be provoked? So she has won this round...

Seriously, who cares what some nutbars feel is art. Just laugh at them and move on. Giving them any notice whatsoever just encourages them to think they are "controversial" and "cutting-edge" instead of "ridiculous" and "irrelevant".

[onetwo_threefour]

This thread is useless without pictures.... oh wait....

[Daradon]

What the heck is the point or discussion you are trying to provoke with this thread? Your title would hint at the fact you are trying to make a point about something, not just throw it out there for consumption. So what is it? Let's hear it.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by fatso

why is this an "Interesting article for artsy-fartsies"?

Because HOZ is a tool.

[Ford Prefect]

Hey, at least she's one "nutbar" who's not procreating. Sort of a voluntary Darwin Award situation.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Because HOZ is a tool.

ya, looks so.

[simonsays]

If you're going to post an article that is that inflammatory (and a month old) you should consider glancing over at snopes first. Because it's been debunked for a few weeks now. Not true at all. Not even a little.

[HOZ]

Good to see that everyone did not take the time to read the article. Either that or comprehension skills are at a all time low and therefore an explanation of the article will be utterly futile.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Good to see that everyone did not take the time to read the article. Either that or comprehension skills are at a all time low and therefore an explanation of the article will be utterly futile.

Sorry, but most of us heard about this a while ago--and also heard about its debunking.

In fact, I think you're the one who should have taken a little more time here. If you had, you'd know that this so-called performance art piece never existed, except in the imagination of a single student who wrote up a press release about it as a hoax. Which means that this has actually nothing to do with what you call "artsy-fartsies," and nothing to do with our reading comprehension.

I think you need to go back to google to find some other inflammatory thing to post. You've been outed on this one.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Sorry, but most of us heard about this a while ago--and also heard about its debunking.

In fact, I think you're the one who should have taken a little more time here. If you had, you'd know that this so-called performance art piece never existed, except in the imagination of a single student who wrote up a press release about it as a hoax. Which means that this has actually nothing to do with what you call "artsy-fartsies," and nothing to do with our reading comprehension.

I think you need to go back to google to find some other inflammatory thing to post. You've been outed on this one.

Hmm...didn't read the article either did we?

An article on how Art is taught is some how inflammatory? Yeeeaaa.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Hmm...didn't read the article either did we?

An article on how Art is taught is some how inflammatory? Yeeeaaa.

Sigh. As usual, you're intractable in your refusal to listen to what anyone else is saying. Let's review:

1. You posted an article that purports to diagnose a problem in how art is taught by reference to a shocking piece of performance art involving self-inflicted abortion. The article claims that this piece of art is exemplary of an "Immaturity, self-importance and a certain confused earnestness" that is apparently encouraged by Yale's pedagogical practices.

2. Other posters responded by saying that said piece of performance art was a hoax--making it exemplary of nothing. Since this was debunked months ago, your face should be red. So should the face of the professor who wrote the article, who like you suffers from a terminal complex of self-importance which led him to fall for the hoax created by the Yale student who wrote an op-ed piece about a piece of performance art that didn't exist.

3. You claim that those posters didn't read the article. This is, I've noticed, your fallback position--which is fine, I guess, if you don't like to debate stuff.

I hope it's clearer now--but I sense you're someone who has a hard time admitting fault, so I think the best thing is just to slink away and let this thread fall into obscurity along with your millions of others.

[fatso]

Reading Iowa_Flames_Fan deal with HOZ is amazing. The patience and logic IFF puts forth is demonstrative of a person much better, and more tolerant, than I. I applaud you IFF... good on you for at least trying to reason with the wholly unreasonable.

[ken0042]

Alright guys. Make your points without resorting to name calling.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by HOZ

An article on how Art is taught is some how inflammatory? Yeeeaaa.

No your thread title and bait attempt was inflamatory. Like I mentioned before, if you have a point, lets hear it. We can even pretend so called exhibit wasn't a hoax, if that was what you were getting at.

If what you were getting at was about art being taught, then lets hear your ideas on that. But if your trying to make a point make it, instead of challenging the forums 'reading comprehension'.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Sigh. As usual, you're intractable in your refusal to listen to what anyone else is saying. Let's review:

1. You posted an article that purports to diagnose a problem in how art is taught by reference to a shocking piece of performance art involving self-inflicted abortion. The article claims that this piece of art is exemplary of an "Immaturity, self-importance and a certain confused earnestness" that is apparently encouraged by Yale's pedagogical practices.

2. Other posters responded by saying that said piece of performance art was a hoax--making it exemplary of nothing. Since this was debunked months ago, your face should be red. So should the face of the professor who wrote the article, who like you suffers from a terminal complex of self-importance which led him to fall for the hoax created by the Yale student who wrote an op-ed piece about a piece of performance art that didn't exist.

3. You claim that those posters didn't read the article. This is, I've noticed, your fallback position--which is fine, I guess, if you don't like to debate stuff.

I hope it's clearer now--but I sense you're someone who has a hard time admitting fault, so I think the best thing is just to slink away and let this thread fall into obscurity along with your millions of others.

Well allow me to Rebut....

1) Aliza Shvart's "art" was one of three examples given by the author though it was certainly the main one since at the time of the article's writing it was certainly headline news. As clearly written, "Or so she claimed; whether she actually did any of this remains unclear." the author doubted the authenticity. But whether her art authentic or not wasn't the point of the article.

Which goes to answer #2:
- Why would anyone who actually read this article and comprehended it talk about talk about "inflammatory posts" and "hoaxes". It is about the author's opinion about how art should be taught.

So....

#3 why focus on this hoax when the article is about a more traditional teaching method? Because the people either did NOT read the article or simple did not understand what the author was saying.


Finally, thanks for the psychoanalysing and the offhanded insult. A lot to do about an article on Art.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Daradon

No your thread title and bait attempt was inflamatory.

In what way? I just posted an article that I thought was interesting. Read it or don't. Agree or disagree with the authour. It is up to you.

[Daradon]

^^^ Perhaps because of the quote you put on the thread?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Alright guys. Make your points without resorting to name calling.

Point taken. I get a little defensive when people go after "artsy fartsies," being one of them myself, but I can see how some of my comments were a little unhelpful.