Operation Northwoods

[Tower]

Anyone here heard of this US plan to gain support for a war with Cuba?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The plan stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.



"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

Sounds familiar to some people in the here and now.

[CaptainCrunch]

And they would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those damned teenagers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Stop being cryptic. Who are you accusing of 'similar plans'?

[Tower]

Let's do a play on words.... I'll remove Cuba/Castro with Middle East. Now it will not fit in completely but the idea of it gets across.

Firstly however - this was a real document with real plans from the highest point of government. So no it really isn't me who is being cryptic...

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Middle East to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Middle East, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

[Bobblehead]

I'll do a play on words.

occom's razor

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I'll do a play on words.

occom's razor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Occom


He did a lot, but it doen not say anything about his razor...

Interpretations of Occam's Razor

1. When deciding between two models which make equivalent predictions, choose the simpler one.

2. If two decision rules classify the existing data equally well, the simpler one is more likely to classify future data correctly.


When listening to the criminal explain his crime it is not wise to believe his words.

[Cowboy89]

Sigh, I thought Calgary puck was once again safe from the "9-11 was an inside job" nutbars after a bout of that was quashed a little over a year ago. But alas, here we are again.

Operation Northwoods is used as evidence for step one to win converts to the 'truth movement'. Step one being that, if you can convince people that the government would actually consider staging a false-flag attack on their own citizens to frame an intended target you're half way there to staging talks about engineering reports about the structural integrity of the World Trade Towers, unusual NATO war simulation excercises going on the morning of 9-11 etc, etc. Just about every internet messageboard has people who started this. Rinse, lather, repeat.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Ah, so this is a 9/11 conspiracy post. I understand now.

Moving on.

[transplant99]

Maybe the US could pay the rest of the world in speeding tickets to garner support.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Sigh, I thought Calgary puck was once again safe from the "9-11 was an inside job" nutbars after a bout of that was quashed a little over a year ago. But alas, here we are again.

Operation Northwoods is used as evidence for step one to win converts to the 'truth movement'. Step one being that, if you can convince people that the government would actually consider staging a false-flag attack on their own citizens to frame an intended target you're half way there to staging talks about engineering reports about the structural integrity of the World Trade Towers, unusual NATO war simulation excercises going on the morning of 9-11 etc, etc. Just about every internet messageboard has people who started this. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Sigh, the fact that such actions are ignored by people such as you. So wash your hands. Carry on your life. Ignore the fact that this existed and was only stopped because of JFK. Ignore that he was killed soon after. And continue to live in your ignorance... In fact put me on your ignore list... The less drivel from you and your condescending nature is needed.

There is plenty more than 911 to look at, but you have picked you box to sleep in.

Actually discuss the matter instead of jumping on 911... Discuss the fact that government attempted to accomplish this! Oh wait sorry... Your sleeping in your box....

[Tower]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe the US could pay the rest of the world in speeding tickets to garner support.

That sounds like a great plan! In fact they did something like this over the last few years!!! Creating money out of nothing. It caused the crash and economic disaster we are in now.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be."

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."

"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing."



Thomas Jefferson

[ResAlien]

But seriously, I love your threads man. Keep it up.

[Ozy_Flame]

The plan to engage Operation Northwoods (of which I knew about long before this was posted) doesn't surprise me, given the Cold War paranoia at the time. People were scared, and governments were looking for anything to pounce on to blame the other side.

Doesn't it remind you of a more recent scenario, one that seemed to rise after the 911 paranoia? "You're with us or you're against us." We all know where that came from, and frankly, it's just history repeating itself.

I'm not big on 9/11 conspiracies (or any conspiracies for that matter), but governments have proven, time and time again, that they are capable of even the most ludicrous, headscratching plots. And sometimes they actually follow through with it. The existence of nuclear weapons are cold, hard evidence to that.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Tower

Sigh, the fact that such actions are ignored by people such as you. So wash your hands. Carry on your life. Ignore the fact that this existed and was only stopped because of JFK. Ignore that he was killed soon after. And continue to live in your ignorance... In fact put me on your ignore list... The less drivel from you and your condescending nature is needed.

There is plenty more than 911 to look at, but you have picked you box to sleep in.

Actually discuss the matter instead of jumping on 911... Discuss the fact that government attempted to accomplish this! Oh wait sorry... Your sleeping in your box....

So what that people inside the US government proposed this almost 50 years ago? I'm sure if everything that was ever proposed to a world leader saw the light of day there would be a lot of crazy stuff, including a lot of world leaders that didn't get killed within a year and a half of their proposal. I'm sure Northwoods isn't even the half of crazy stuff that was actually seriously considered on a number of different foriegn policy issues over the years.

As per the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy theories, we already have a thread for that started a year and a half ago where the proverbial horse suffered it's death and was beaten many times afterwards.

EDIT: Opps, upon checking old threads, I discovered it wasn't a "Kennedy Assasination" thread that talked about Kennedy assassination theories but rather a thread about the prospects of an Obama assassination during the election cycle that devolved into a lenghty discussion about Kennedy theories. As an aside, I guess since that hasn't happened yet it must be that Obama is onside with those powerful "World Bank Overloards" that secretly control the world.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The plan to engage Operation Northwoods (of which I knew about long before this was posted) doesn't surprise me, given the Cold War paranoia at the time. People were scared, and governments were looking for anything to pounce on to blame the other side.

Doesn't it remind you of a more recent scenario, one that seemed to rise after the 911 paranoia? "You're with us or you're against us." We all know where that came from, and frankly, it's just history repeating itself.

I'm not big on 9/11 conspiracies (or any conspiracies for that matter), but governments have proven, time and time again, that they are capable of even the most ludicrous, headscratching plots. And sometimes they actually follow through with it. The existence of nuclear weapons are cold, hard evidence to that.

The problem with conspiracies are the fact of how many people it would take to create a 911 Tower to fall. One would think that with all those people - one would crack. If beams were cut who cut them... The same is with other conspiracies.

The difference here is that it is not a conspiracy and The Operation Northwood is available for anyone to see. It's an out right abuse of power by an official bound to protect. Now with invested interest in power and control over people throughout the world. It's hard to imagine one in power wouldn't bring this operation back.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Tower

The problem with conspiracies are the fact of how many people it would take to create a 911 Tower to fall. One would think that with all those people - one would crack. If beams were cut who cut them... The same is with other conspiracies.

The difference here is that it is not a conspiracy and The Operation Northwood is available for anyone to see. It's an out right abuse of power by an official bound to protect. Now with invested interest in power and control over people throughout the world. It's hard to imagine one in power wouldn't bring this operation back.

By today's standard, it was for sure. However you are talking about an era where people routinely got arrested and held for being communist with no proof. When you are doing something in name the greater good, it is easier to justify the action.

Doesn't mean it is right, it just means that it isn't at all surprising given the time period.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tower

The problem with conspiracies are the fact of how many people it would take to create a 911 Tower to fall. One would think that with all those people - one would crack. If beams were cut who cut them... The same is with other conspiracies.

The difference here is that it is not a conspiracy and The Operation Northwood is available for anyone to see. It's an out right abuse of power by an official bound to protect. Now with invested interest in power and control over people throughout the world. It's hard to imagine one in power wouldn't bring this operation back.

50 years ago. All of the players are dead or long out out power. Is this supposed to shock people? Maybe Kennedy squashed the idea because he figured boatloads of nuclear warheads bound for Cuba was enough justification?

Glad to read your first paragraph in this quoted post. Good to see some logic applied.

[CaptainCrunch]

You'd be amazed at what you can find in the archives, I mean my god there are invasion plans for Canada, there are plans to exterminate entire countries with chemical, bio and nuclear weapons. Thats what the Joint Chiefs of Staff and their planning departments do. They plan for every eventuality and and make every kind of plan. Then they sign off on them and propose them.

Its up to the civilian authority to sign off and decide to move forward with it. This didn't happen with Northwood, and with the Bay of Pigs invasion you saw what happened when the Civilian government got its hands on it.

If the American government had a hand in 9-11 it would have been blown wide open by now because as everyone pointed out the Bush Government was staffed with incompetents.

[Bobblehead]

Who watches the Watchmen?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Sigh, I thought Calgary puck was once again safe from the "9-11 was an inside job" nutbars after a bout of that was quashed a little over a year ago. But alas, here we are again.

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STFU and put on your tinfoil hat.

Wasn't there a similar plan to do this to Canada?