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Old 05-12-2008, 11:20 AM   #1
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Default Studies on tasers are flawed, cardiologist tells inquiry

San Francisco cardiologist and electrophysiologist Zian Tseng became interested in the use and effects of tasers after a taser-related death in San Francisco in January, 2005. In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Dr. Tseng suggested tasers could induce cardiac arrhythmia.

"Shortly thereafter I was contacted by [Taser International, Inc.] directly to reconsider my statements to the media," he said. "They even offered to ... give me grant money for research."

Many of the most commonly cited studies that show the devices are safe were financed by Taser International, Dr. Tseng said. Several of the authors of a 2005 study are Taser employees.

Many of these studies use simulated stun guns rather than tasers themselves, and a study on humans monitored only the subjects' heart rate before and after the shock - not during it, which is when other studies have shown that heart rates were most dramatically disrupted.

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Don't give me bias taser studies bro!
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:37 PM   #3
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I wonder how much being a part of this taser research pays? Probably not nearly enough, well maybe enough for this guy...

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Old 05-12-2008, 12:41 PM   #4
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Well if the alternative if shooting them....I think a taser is better.
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:56 PM   #5
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The best thing I read so far:
"Tasers are less-lethal, not non-lethal weapons, and should used treated as such"
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Don't give me bias taser studies bro!
Provide the other side of the argument if you disagree!
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I think studies have also proven guns and batons to be deadly in certain situations as well...the number of deaths compared to the numbers of successful uses of Tasers is good enough for me. Not only that, but the uncounted number of lives saved, both law enforcement officers, and civilians make the Taser an even better tool.
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:31 PM   #8
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"Begg, who served 23 years in the RCMP, said Canadian policing has traditionally been more community-based than U.S. policing, which relies heavily on the use of force.

He pointed out the Taser was approved for use in B.C. in 2000 for situations where a suspect was violent, aggressive or armed.

Begg is concerned that in recent years Tasers are being used in lower-risk situations -- "slippage," he called it.his is not how the government originally envisioned and endorsed the use of Tasers," he told inquiry commissioner Thomas Braidwood, a retired appeal court judge.

He said Tasers should not be a compliance tool, but should be moved up the use-of-force continuum for assaultive and combative behaviour.

Outside the inquiry, Begg told reporters there appears to be a gap that needs to be filled in policing by clearly defining when Tasers can be used.

"What I'm concerned about is that it's [the threshold for Taser use] been slipping down," he said.

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We should have an emoticon for "missed the obscure pop culture reference."

There was a utube video or something where the suspect kept saying "Don't taze me, bro!"
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Here's the "Don't taze me bro" Remix!

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We should have an emoticon for "missed the obscure pop culture reference."

There was a utube video or something where the suspect kept saying "Don't taze me, bro!"
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:41 PM   #12
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Or the remix version

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Well if the alternative if shooting them....I think a taser is better.
if that's how they were used.... awesome.
they're often being used on people passively resisting, arguing, or not complying fast enough, etc. i certainly hope that a firearm isn't authorized or necessary to deal with someone (non-violently) disagreeing with a cop.
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they're often being used on people passively resisting, arguing, or not complying fast enough, etc. i certainly hope that a firearm isn't authorized or necessary to deal with someone (non-violently) disagreeing with a cop.
You can put me in the "Pro-Taser" group, but I have to agree that it should be used in circumstances where a gun might have to have been used, and not issues where the suspect isn't acting quick enough, etc.
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I think the bean bag cannon to the junk would be a more effective non lethal weapon. Plus the episodes of cops would be much funnier.
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You can put me in the "Pro-Taser" group, but I have to agree that it should be used in circumstances where a gun might have to have been used, and not issues where the suspect isn't acting quick enough, etc.
If a gun should be used, then use a gun. A Taser should not be on the same level as a firearm.
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I was thinking of cases like where a suspect is holding a knife threatening officers. A taser can be fired from several yards away. Or a case where the suspect is fighting the police- if the fight gets bad enough a gun could be used; but use the taser before it gets to that point.
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I'm not a cop, so I can't say forsure...but I think several yards away is too close for comfort for cops. People can make up great distances in short periods of time. I would hate to see a taser fail and a cop get stabbed because they tried for less lethal when they could have been shooting the guy.

One thing I hope though, is that the guys out on the streets don't second guess their training and instincts based on media portrayals of taser uses. I'd rather they get home safe than a lowlife scumbag.
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Actually, Hostage situations don't recommend the use of a taser. The involuntary seizure of the body can cause the firearm to discharge, the knife to be thrusted, or an explosive device to be detonated
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Actually, Hostage situations don't recommend the use of a taser. The involuntary seizure of the body can cause the firearm to discharge, the knife to be thrusted, or an explosive device to be detonated
Pretty much why you put a large calibre bullet in the brain.
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