Anders comes out of hiding. Beijing games are like Hitler's

[Bertuzzied]

Maybe it's finally time for him to be gone.

I know it's bad in China but worse then WW2??

"I think that China is the worst human rights violator in the world, right now," he said. "And, I think, their record in terms of deaths and atrocities far overshadows those in the Second World War.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...1f4f42&k=83664

[Bobblehead]

Doesn't matter, for some reason the CPC seem to be willing to protect him and his seat regardless of what he says or does.

[Thunderball]

As much as I don't like Anders... and I really don't like Rob Anders... in raw numbers, since the Communists have taken over China, there have been more deaths and atrocities than Nazi Germany of the 1930s before their Berlin Olympics. Whether these are worse in scope or execution is debatable.

He's technically right even though he's a ######bag. I just think people don't want to lump China's tyrannical regime with Adolf Hitler's because China is economically tied to the West so greatly. If China had the economic contribution of New Zealand or Nigeria, there's no way anyone would come to these games, and there's no way they would have been awarded these games to begin with.

This is appeasement for economic gain and nothing more. This is a country that isn't ready politically or socially to be accepted into the International Community while they commit so many atrocities and human rights violations. Tyrannical country with growing economic might and rapid industrialization with boasts of being a better land for all... it really is a familiar tune with one particular Olympic Games...Berlin, 1936.

[Slava]

^ No, he is technically wrong. The systematic extermination of 6 million people is not overshadowed by human rights violations in China today...end of story.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ No, he is technically wrong. The systematic extermination of 6 million people is not overshadowed by human rights violations in China today...end of story.

The systematic exterminations were of course not happening in 1936. Dachau opened in 1933, but it was only for political prisoners (and you'll find more than a few of those in China). They were not "death camps" until Germany was at war and beginning to lose, in 1942.

As well, I said raw numbers, not scope or execution of deaths. Systematic extermination in a total war situation is clearly worse, but that doesn't mean the comparision is unfair. Six million is nothing compared to what the Communist Party has been up to since they snatched power.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ No, he is technically wrong. The systematic extermination of 6 million people is not overshadowed by human rights violations in China today...end of story.

Nazi Germany exterminated those people after the Berlin Olympics not before.


He is right.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

The systematic exterminations were of course not happening in 1936. Dachau opened in 1933, but it was only for political prisoners (and you'll find more than a few of those in China). They were not "death camps" until Germany was at war and beginning to lose, in 1942.

As well, I said raw numbers, not scope or execution of deaths. Systematic extermination in a total war situation is clearly worse, but that doesn't mean the comparision is unfair. Six million is nothing compared to what the Communist Party has been up to since they snatched power.

30 million in the cultural revolution alone!!!

[Slava]

I know full well that the exterminations took place after the '36 games. I still don't think that the comparison is fair though. We all know what took place after the games, and Anders is using that as his tool here.

Hitler was democratically elected in the first place...so I guess we could easily draw the same comparison to Harper as Hitler? (I would classify this as just as ridiculous...for the record).

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Nazi Germany exterminated those people after the Berlin Olympics not before.


He is right.

He is wrong.

His quote directly references the WWII atrocity records.

"I think that China is the worst human rights violator in the world, right now," he said. "And, I think, their record in terms of deaths and atrocities far overshadows those in the Second World War.

The Berlin Olympics reference was regarding who should be allowed to participate:

"I absolutely 100 per cent think it compares to the Berlin Olympics in 1936," he said in an interview.
You've got Falun Gong practitioners, which are not allowed to participate in the Olympics. Adolf Hitler had issues with Jews being able to participate in the Olympics in 1936."

Comparing total body counts, of course the communist uprising in China was worse. But that is not the point Anders was trying to make.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Slava

I know full well that the exterminations took place after the '36 games. I still don't think that the comparison is fair though. We all know what took place after the games, and Anders is using that as his tool here.

Hitler was democratically elected in the first place...so I guess we could easily draw the same comparison to Harper as Hitler? (I would classify this as just as ridiculous...for the record).

You're really straw grasping here.

[Ozy_Flame]

China, since the course of the Communist Revolution, has committed far more human rights violations against their people over the span of about 60 years.

Let's not forget that Germany has about 40 million people as well, and China has over 1 Billion. That alone, combined with a number of other factors such as abject peasant poverty, the One Child Policy, the Taiwan issue, and the control over foreign influence has created a scenario where people reported missing is clockwork behavior.

Like someone said - Anders may be a ######, but he certainly isn't wrong on the factual side.

[habernac]

a poor comparison, but he's dead on with it being a travesty that a country like China gets the Olympics.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by FireFly

You're really straw grasping here.

I know...but he started it!!!

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by habernac

a poor comparison, but he's dead on with it being a travesty that a country like China gets the Olympics.

My feelings exactly. Still when you are a politician in the ruling party of Canada it's prob best to keep those thoughts to yourself.

Well when you have money.... you can buy anything including the Olympics.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ No, he is technically wrong. The systematic extermination of 6 million people is not overshadowed by human rights violations in China today...end of story.

Body counts are almost superfluous when examining states with a totalitarian nature. The point is, both regimes thrived by creating enemies within in the state and killing them for no rational reason.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by peter12

Body counts are almost superfluous when examining states with a totalitarian nature. The point is, both regimes thrived by creating enemies within in the state and killing them for no rational reason.

You are absolutely right. Thing is that we both know that the point Anders is making here is not that at all...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Slava

You are absolutely right. Thing is that we both know that the point Anders is making here is not that at all...

Well, the essence is probably the same, but he is a foolish guy so I could be totally wrong.

[onetwo_threefour]

I too am in the 'Anders= Evil + Stupid' camp, but there is a point. The Berlin Games was one mechanism that allowed Hitler to present a 'kind', 'international' face to a country that was ramping up to a nationalistic, xenophobic war. The duplicity of the Hitler games could arguably be compared with the duplicitousnees of the Beijing Games where China gets to put on a show for the world to show how it is improving as an international citizen when in reality, China's changes are almost exclusively economic in nature with little or no social welfare/environmental/human rights improvements.

I think the Berlin Games and the Beijing Games are both mockeries of the Olympic ideals, although I honestly think Beijing is worse because everybody knew it even when the games were awarded. The changes in German society and government were a lot more recent when those games were awarded.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by habernac

a poor comparison, but he's dead on with it being a travesty that a country like China gets the Olympics.

I also agree with this. I really despise Anders, but I can't disagree with his pro-Tibet stance. He may be painting his opinions with a touch of drama, but I do see his point.

[troutman]

Anders has a sign in Varsity advertising a public meeting about Child Protection Laws.