Cop gets off

[Patek23]

of house arrest. Personally I think its disgusting. If its the other way around the guy would get Life. But since this guys RCMP and it's proven that his second shot was to kill the guy all he gets is 2 months house arrest. I know somebody who got 2 months house arrest for not paying 3 fines, hardly Murder.

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[RougeUnderoos]

What a sham that is. 2 years (its years, not months Homer) at home for manslaughter? Oooh, that's tough. They might be sentencing him to get fat and bored but that's about it.

Congrats on the full pension though. He really deserves it.

[Patek23]

Sorry I'd change it but for some reason now you can change the titles and the memos now, that sucks.

[Resolute 14]

Guy was a cop.

Would you support a death sentince for manslaughter?

Cause that is what he would have gotten if sent to jail.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Dec 11 2004, 03:15 AM
Guy was a cop.

Would you support a death sentince for manslaughter?

Cause that is what he would have gotten if sent to jail.

Yes. For anybody else it would have been a jail sentence just because he was a cop doesnt make him anymore special.

[Resolute 14]

So you agree with the death sentince for manslaughter then.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Dec 11 2004, 03:31 AM
So you agree with the death sentince for manslaughter then.

Essentially yes. AS the old saying is you do the crime you do the time. For everything bad I did I was punished, why should this guy get off so easy, I don't care if it means he'll get killed. He should have thought of that before he shot the inmate.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Dec 10 2004, 08:15 PM
Guy was a cop.

Would you support a death sentince for manslaughter?

Cause that is what he would have gotten if sent to jail.

That's a little dramatic don't you think? Who says he'll get murdered in an Alberta prison? It's not like he's going to the Sing Sing Deathhouse. If he's in danger then he can be separated just like the other endangered prisoners are.

Going to prison is not a death sentence for this guy.

[CaptainCrunch]

The basis of the sentence was around the cruel and unusual punishment argument. If he would have gone to prison for a multi year sentence he would have because of his former cop status been forced into segregated lockdown, or multi years of 23 1/2 hour days in cell with very little human contact. That to me sounds a little extreme for the crime that he commited.

He made a stupid procedural mistake by carrying his pistol into the cell with a prisoner who made a play for his gun. He shot him once and then over reacted by shooting him in the head, but it sounds like it was an instinctive shot.

It wasn't a malicious or planned act so he shouldn't see the sentence of life which in Canada is 7 years.

Its all in the perspective.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Dec 11 2004, 04:06 AM
The basis of the sentence was around the cruel and unusual punishment argument. If he would have gone to prison for a multi year sentence he would have because of his former cop status been forced into segregated lockdown, or multi years of 23 1/2 hour days in cell with very little human contact. That to me sounds a little extreme for the crime that he commited.

He made a stupid procedural mistake by carrying his pistol into the cell with a prisoner who made a play for his gun. He shot him once and then over reacted by shooting him in the head, but it sounds like it was an instinctive shot.

It wasn't a malicious or planned act so he shouldn't see the sentence of life which in Canada is 7 years.

Its all in the perspective.

If a person in a holding cell is harbouring a gun and than the gaurd comes after him for a beating and than the person (not technically an inmate) shots him to prevent the beating but kills him. Sort of a similar situation( I know its a bit of a stretch but its the best I could think of) the poor bas**rd would have had so many charges he'd be in court for the next decade and the least he'd get would be 16 years.


So it seems a lot like a double standard to me. And please anybody don't try the he was in duty. I've seen and heard what some of the gaurds do to the people in holding and some of it's more cruel than the crime their in there for.

[Kjesse]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Dec 10 2004, 09:31 PM
So you agree with the death sentince for manslaughter then.

You're talking out of your ass -- no offence intended.

That argument is complete rubbish.

The lowest of the low in jail is a skinner.

Since Snakeeye professes to know all about prison, he knows what that means. Worse than a cop.

He also knows, while experiencing a harsh social life, they live a sh*tty life for a few years, for sure. Segragation sucks, but so be it when you kill a handcuffed, undefended victim. This officer is close to the worst example of a cop. Check him out. IMHO, of course.

Otherwise, Snakeeye, please enlighten us as to how you know it was a death sentence. I can't stand bold, unsupported assertions for something so important. Aren't you in law school?

Hawco dropped the ball here. I've appeared before him many times and this decision of his is an anomaly. Expect an appeal. Expect the panel to reverse the decision.

[Kjesse]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Dec 10 2004, 10:06 PM
It wasn't a malicious or planned act so he shouldn't see the sentence of life which in Canada is 7 years.

Where'd you get that from?

The rest of your post is opinion. With which I respectfully disagree.

[moon]

It was complete bullsh*t that he was convicted in the first place. Living in Lethbridge and following the case there is no way at all he should have been convicted.

Hey criminal don't attack a cop and go for his weapon when you are in a cell. Doesn't seem to hard for me to understand.

The fact that he even has any punishment is disgusting in my view.

[Thunderball]

I think this is a very unique case...

if the cop was truly attacked like he claims, then shooting him seems viable... foolish? yes. Worthy of dismissal? yes. A crime? I don't think so... all these people crying for the guy's head... you go put your life on the line as a cop, its not easy, and sometimes bad things happen to bad people... doesn't mean he deserves life in prison.

[Mango]

Originally posted by moon@Dec 11 2004, 12:51 AM
It was complete bullsh*t that he was convicted in the first place. Living in Lethbridge and following the case there is no way at all he should have been convicted.

Hey criminal don't attack a cop and go for his weapon when you are in a cell. Doesn't seem to hard for me to understand.

The fact that he even has any punishment is disgusting in my view.

Didn't the case go to trial three times?

[Resolute 14]

Stuff your self-righteous delusions of superiority up your ass Delgar.

Were you beaten by a cop once?

You probably deserved it.

Flaming Homer was talking about this man basically getting off because he was a cop.

Because he was a cop, sending him to jail with the general population would have put him under a death sentence. The only way to prevent that would have been to do what Captain Crunch mentioned: Basically lock him up in solitary confinement.

Based on your comments, you are either a carreer lawyer, or a carreer criminal - I'm 50/50 on which it is. If you are a lawyer, I'm sure you would be fighting tooth and nail to prevent any cruel and unusual punishment of your clients.

Yet you advocate it here.

What a pathetic hypocrite you are.

A shining example of your apparent profession.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Thunderball@Dec 11 2004, 08:04 AM
I think this is a very unique case...

if the cop was truly attacked like he claims, then shooting him seems viable... foolish? yes. Worthy of dismissal? yes. A crime? I don't think so... all these people crying for the guy's head... you go put your life on the line as a cop, its not easy, and sometimes bad things happen to bad people... doesn't mean he deserves life in prison.

The reason why it went to trial was because he shot him once, than the prisoner who supposedly attacked him (Like I said before most of (not all) the cops who deal with these guys are harldy stand-up citizens ie. unnecessary beatings,forced in unsanitary conditions and such) stopped. That was all fine and dandy perfectly legal and if the inmate really did attack him than the cop did the right thing. BUT than he shoots him AGAIN in the head purposely to kill him, And I don't believe that it was his instinct to shoot again because he took the time to aim and shoot him in the head.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Dec 11 2004, 05:29 PM
Stuff your self-righteous delusions of superiority up your ass Delgar.

Were you beaten by a cop once?

You probably deserved it.

Flaming Homer was talking about this man basically getting off because he was a cop.

Because he was a cop, sending him to jail with the general population would have put him under a death sentence. The only way to prevent that would have been to do what Captain Crunch mentioned: Basically lock him up in solitary confinement.

Based on your comments, you are either a carreer lawyer, or a carreer criminal - I'm 50/50 on which it is. If you are a lawyer, I'm sure you would be fighting tooth and nail to prevent any cruel and unusual punishment of your clients.

Yet you advocate it here.

What a pathetic hypocrite you are.

A shining example of your apparent profession.

You know people like you make me wonder. Have you ever had to deal with a cop being on the "wrong" side of the law. I'm no criminal but I've seen people get in a fair share of trouble. 90% of these cops have a feeling of superiority. I have seen some one beaten down because he woulsdn't confess to the cop for something that I witnessed and knew he didn't do. I've seen cops beat down people who have come out of vehicles and houses with their hands up fully surrendering but than being beaten to a bloddy pulp.


So for you who has probably been some snotty kid who whenever he got in trouble got whisked away out of it by daddy. So to say just because Delgar has dealt with some cops that he's a crook is a pretty naive attitude.

[Resolute 14]

So for you who has probably been some snotty kid who whenever he got in trouble got whisked away out of it by daddy. So to say just because Delgar has dealt with some cops that he's a crook is a pretty naive attitude.

If he can call me a crook, turnabout is fair play.

I wont get into a self-righteous "you dont know me" shtick other than to say that my "daddy" died when I was three years old. I've spent my entire life locked out of the ivory tower trying to survive the harsh reality of this world. I despise people that whine about how tough their lives are because they dont always get their way on everything.

And yes, based on my past, I have a great deal more respect for the police than I do lawyers, while being fortunate to never have had to deal with either on a professional level. Closest I have come is the gallery of a courtroom.

That said, I am very well aware that not all cops are good, and not all lawyers are bad. That some cops are bad does not matter in this case, as we are talking about an individual, not a department or profession.

I think you are confusing the issue here. I'm not arguing that this cop was a shining example of the profession. I'm not arguing his innocence. I agree that he deserved to be convicted of manslaughter.

That said, I also agree with the defense argument that putting this man in jail would constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Two years house arrest might not have been the best alternative, but I dont see how the ideal of "throw him in jail anyway and hope he dies" is very enlightened either.

I also find the suggestion that he is getting off easy because he is a cop rather laughable. I could spend all day showing links of people getting off easy for their crimes in this country. This cop is not really all that special in this regard, though his circumstance may justify it more than some of the others who get off - especially those that murder people via drunk driving.

[Patek23]

Sorry to hear about your dad. Didn't know.


But I do believe that cops have special treatment. One of my buddies was almost beaten to death by a cop, there were 5 witnesses and it was dismissed from court because his partner said it never happened.

I guess for it its a choice of opinion. For me it's a chocie of experience.