fun with nickleback

[octothorp]

This is a really remarkable MP3. Someone has taken two nickleback songs, mixed them into a single mp3 with one song playing in the right speaker, the other in the left. Simple idea, remarkable result: they are musically almost exactly the same--same key changes, same pauses, same overall structure. It's really uncanny.

http://www.nintendorks.com/brandon/archives/000475.php

Turns out it's quite an old link (from back in april), so maybe it's been posted before, but it's new to me.

[Table 5]

you could probably do that with 90% of todays Pearl Jam ripoff bands....or hell, most pop rock today.

[Faid1]

Man this is old!

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I've had that on my computer for quite a while now

gotta love "Theory of a Nickelfault" type bands

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Faid1@Dec 1 2004, 02:11 PM
Man this is old!

Old, but I am glad he re-posted it. I went looking for it the other day and couldn't find it. Typing Nickleback into a search engine felt dirty.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Maritime Q-Scout@Dec 1 2004, 02:34 PM
I've had that on my computer for quite a while now

gotta love "Theory of a Nickelfault" type bands

You mean Theory of a Staind Creed Nicklefaultback

[Mango]

Thank you for sharing this - first I've heard of it, but not surprised.

[rockstar]

Wow, first time I've heard this, but also not surprised
I campaigned this idea that the 2 singles were the same since the second one came out, but none of my friends would listen! It's the same as all the other garbage out there right now. The record execs are taking a formula that works (and at one point was good) and they're multiplying it. It's a ridiculous, albeit effective way of making money for themselves and making suckers of everyone else. It really makes me angry. It's honestly bands like this and other the other ripoff bands that are contributing to the death of rock&roll. Call me dramatic, I don't care. Making music used to be about so much more than selling records and being famous and now, that's all it is. Makes me sick, I tells ya. There's really only a handful of artists out there that don't sound fundamentally exactly like the guy beside them, but other than that, it's just "Hmm, how can I write a song that will crack the Top 40?"

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Well, since the majority of rock and roll is based on 12 bar blues structure you could probably do this with thousands of songs, from different artists and get it to work. And I don't hear the exact same breaks in the music either. Same beat, but that's a pretty standard thing.

Seems to me that its another guy who has zero musical ability or taste poking fun at a band that managed to find a niche and make it work. The guy who did this is probably some nerd who likes to throw out obscure bands that no one has heard of, can't play their instruments, and thinks he's cool for hammering away the "establishment". ANY band that can write their own music, play their own instruments and work their way into the music industry gets props IMO. Having played in a couple of bands I know what it is like to have that dream and how hard it is to catch that break and how every goof out there is a critic. To those people I say strap on an axe, pick up some sticks and let's see what you can do. Until you produce anything go, back to listening to your Ashley Simpson or any rapper. Making something from nothing is extremely difficult. I may not like some music, but I give those that create it the props for doing so. Man, if you want to look at bands that did nothing but repeat their successes, look at the Stones and the Beatles in their early years. Its the way the industry works. You don't get the freedom be be really creative until you get to produce your own music and have complete control. Pink Floyd wasn't always briilliant. They had to pay their dues and prove they could sell anything before they got to "experiment".

[Clarkey]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Dec 2 2004, 12:34 PM
Well, since the majority of rock and roll is based on 12 bar blues structure you could probably do this with thousands of songs, from different artists and get it to work. And I don't hear the exact same breaks in the music either. Same beat, but that's a pretty standard thing.

Seems to me that its another guy who has zero musical ability or taste poking fun at a band that managed to find a niche and make it work. The guy who did this is probably some nerd who likes to throw out obscure bands that no one has heard of, can't play their instruments, and thinks he's cool for hammering away the "establishment". ANY band that can write their own music, play their own instruments and work their way into the music industry gets props IMO. Having played in a couple of bands I know what it is like to have that dream and how hard it is to catch that break and how every goof out there is a critic. To those people I say strap on an axe, pick up some sticks and let's see what you can do. Until you produce anything go, back to listening to your Ashley Simpson or any rapper. Making something from nothing is extremely difficult. I may not like some music, but I give those that create it the props for doing so. Man, if you want to look at bands that did nothing but repeat their successes, look at the Stones and the Beatles in their early years. Its the way the industry works. You don't get the freedom be be really creative until you get to produce your own music and have complete control. Pink Floyd wasn't always briilliant. They had to pay their dues and prove they could sell anything before they got to "experiment".

Agreed!

[arsenal]

I remember seeing a year or two ago, some one was able to develop a computer program that would listen to a song, and tell if it was going to be a hit or not. Basically, the person that wrote the program, was able to find a mathematical solution to hit songs. Saying that all hit songs have the same basic structure.

IIRC it was on discovery..

[rockstar]

Intro/verse/pre-chorus/chorus/verse/pre-chorus/chorus/bridge or solo/chorus(x2)

Seems to be the standard nowadays (or some variation of that).

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by ROCKSTAR@Dec 2 2004, 05:06 PM
Intro/verse/pre-chorus/chorus/verse/pre-chorus/chorus/bridge or solo/chorus(x2)

Seems to be the standard nowadays (or some variation of that).

What is a "pre-chorus"? Is it related to a con-chorus? Or a dis-chorus? Or inter-chorus? Or are you refering to the bridge?

And yes, writing a song is a formula. If you enter contests with your music, or are trying to get signed, they are looking for basic structure. Free form (the style I always prefered to write in) is not considered an acceptable writing style... until you make it big and can do what ever you want.

[Anders]

It is of course acceptable for a band to use the same basic song formula for every one of their songs if they want to. It has always been done - although these new bands tend to use it to an extreme. I tend to blame it on the people that buy this kind of music. If more people bought more experimental or at least "alternative" music, maybe the Nickelbacks of the world would stay out of my sight or ear. Im glad there are alternatives although outside the mainstream media.

[JayP]

Until you produce anything go, back to listening to your Ashley Simpson or any rapper.

Give me a break. I'm not a huge fan of rap, but all underground hip-hop artists have a ton more musical integrity than Nickleback.

I don't see how picking up a guitar and slapping together the same song over and over again deserves props. Anyone can do that. It takes maybe half a year before someone just learning to play guitar can duplicate what Nickleback does.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by JayP@Dec 2 2004, 07:22 PM

Give me a break. I'm not a huge fan of rap, but all underground hip-hop artists have a ton more musical integrity than Nickleback.

I don't see how picking up a guitar and slapping together the same song over and over again deserves props. Anyone can do that. It takes maybe half a year before someone just learning to play guitar can duplicate what Nickleback does.

Hey, if its so easy why don't you do it? Don't want the headaches associated wiith having more money than you know what to do with? Or don't like the prospects of having to do a different girl every night? Or you don't like the idea of travelling around the world playing YOUR music? What is it that makes it so undesireble to a multi-talented fellow like yourself? I think its because you don't have the talent to do it and don't have the balls to get up in front of a crowd and put your self-esteem on the line every night. Prove yourself right. June 2nd, 2006, you can begin your career in show business by playing your greatest hits.

And please, compared to actually writing and arranging music rap is a total joke! Anyone can write rhymes, get up, take a tough pose and grab their crotch every five seconds. Takes very little ability other than the odd altiteration to struggle through. The only serious talent on a stage at a rap event are the guys spinning. It takes talent to take those samples and make them into something that someone can sing "Mary had a little lamb" to. Props to dem boyz!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I don't classify that rap. As soon as you actually have real instruments involved, and have a band that has to work in conjunction with the singer/rapper, well its no longer "rap". I think that falls under the auspices of alternative, and yes, there are some good artists that play that type of music. I'm refering to the guy who grabs a microphone and rattles off a bunch of incoherent words that he passes off as urban poetry. Those guys just make me shake my head. Working within the confines of a band, playing off of each other and going with a groove takes talent and a commitment from all involved. That's why bands get much more respect than solo artists IMO.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Dec 2 2004, 07:34 AM
Well, since the majority of rock and roll is based on 12 bar blues structure you could probably do this with thousands of songs, from different artists and get it to work. And I don't hear the exact same breaks in the music either. Same beat, but that's a pretty standard thing.

Seems to me that its another guy who has zero musical ability or taste poking fun at a band that managed to find a niche and make it work. The guy who did this is probably some nerd who likes to throw out obscure bands that no one has heard of, can't play their instruments, and thinks he's cool for hammering away the "establishment". ANY band that can write their own music, play their own instruments and work their way into the music industry gets props IMO. Having played in a couple of bands I know what it is like to have that dream and how hard it is to catch that break and how every goof out there is a critic. To those people I say strap on an axe, pick up some sticks and let's see what you can do. Until you produce anything go, back to listening to your Ashley Simpson or any rapper. Making something from nothing is extremely difficult. I may not like some music, but I give those that create it the props for doing so. Man, if you want to look at bands that did nothing but repeat their successes, look at the Stones and the Beatles in their early years. Its the way the industry works. You don't get the freedom be be really creative until you get to produce your own music and have complete control. Pink Floyd wasn't always briilliant. They had to pay their dues and prove they could sell anything before they got to "experiment".

Im with you too Lanny!
Personally i find it repulsive when a CANADIAN band makes good and is hammered by overzealous/jealous misfits who would be esctatic to be in their place!

Compared with many of the glitz boy bands or made for TV schlock that is presented I personally dont mind Nickleback at all.

If I could make $$$$MILLIONS$$$$ of dollars off of a 3 chord set for every song, show me the way!

Kudos to the band for finding the formula...obviously there are more people that like them then hate them....hence their popularity!

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JayP@Dec 2 2004, 02:22 PM

Give me a break. I'm not a huge fan of rap, but all underground hip-hop artists have a ton more musical integrity than Nickleback.

I don't see how picking up a guitar and slapping together the same song over and over again deserves props. Anyone can do that. It takes maybe half a year before someone just learning to play guitar can duplicate what Nickleback does.

rigghhhhhhhhhhhhhht...IF anything, almost ALL of Hip Hop or Rap sounds exactly the same...pullease try again!

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Anders@Dec 2 2004, 02:10 PM
It is of course acceptable for a band to use the same basic song formula for every one of their songs if they want to. It has always been done - although these new bands tend to use it to an extreme. I tend to blame it on the people that buy this kind of music. If more people bought more experimental or at least "alternative" music, maybe the Nickelbacks of the world would stay out of my sight or ear. Im glad there are alternatives although outside the mainstream media.

Anders,
I like alternative music as well...but the problem with music that isnt in the mainstream is....you cant sing...hum... or tap your toes to most of it. Thats the crux of it...if it feels good people will buy it...if its different not many people will buy it.