Poker Etiquette question for all the house game players

[Gravitykillr]

I do tend to play a descent amount of poker but almost totally online on Pokerstars, with play money. So a little while back I was at a buddies house playing a tournament only 8 players blinds going up every 15minutes it went quick but at one point i got into a hand and felt like another player at the table not involved in the hand had a direct outcome to the hand. so the cards are dealt out I've got 9s 9c, bets are made. The flop comes up 5d Kh Jh, so I make a bet of $150 (blinds where 24/50 at this point) and 1 player calls the turn comes up Jc I bet another $300, at this point the other player is trying to figure out my bet but says outloud he thinks I have him. I think he's getting ready to fold when the player not in the hand starts telling him to think it out, think of what I would have in comparision to me. The player in hand thinks about it, puts a few chips on top of his cards and thinks a bit more, takes them off, by this point I figure I've got it he's going to fold, the player not in the hands asks what he he thinks, and says a few things I'm not really paying attention too, so the guy I'm playing with thinks a bit longer than re-raises me to almost all in, I think I'd have like $75 in chips if I call, so realizing he's probably holding a king I fold myself.

the question being if you've read all of this, I am right for being annoyed at the player who wasn't in the hand, because I feel he talked the other guy into playing it when I was sure he was going to fold

[4X4]

The guy not in the hand needs a punch in the chops. Everyone knows that the only people allowed to discuss the game are the people playing it. Once you fold, you STFU until the hand is played out. If you're talking, it'd better be about women or beer.

[Drunk Skunk]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The guy not in the hand needs a punch in the chops. Everyone knows that the only people allowed to discuss the game are the people playing it. Once you fold, you STFU until the hand is played out. If you're talking, it'd better be about women or beer.

Seconded.

I play in a house game or two each week, and everyone knows that when you fold, your say in the current hand is done.

[Gravitykillr]

Thanks for the quick response and good advice, just bothered me alot because it was a rather large pot when I folded and would have left me in a really good position if he'd folded.

[SportsJunky]

The other guy who was yapping probably plays a lot of online poker also. Etiquette is lost on a lot of the onliners.

[Kipper is King]

I would agree with the previous posts.

I think it would only be acceptable if your opponent was a total beginner and the other players are trying to help him out a little. If that's the case though, he should not be betting, and he should just be playing for fun until he gets things figured out.

[JD]

Yeah, that guy had no business yapping.

I've got a group of guys I play with very regularly, and this comes up every now and then, even with them. Etiquette can be lost on even the most regular players. I've lost hands in almost the exact same manner, and it is really annoying.

[Dr GonZo]

You guys ever watch Rounders?

Talking separates the men from the boys. Gets others on edge, makes them play on tilt. Although I don't personally like it, I don't think you should forbid asking for or recieving consult during a hand, as long as nothing is said about folded cards.

That's something I hate so much more: those idiots that start going nuts and grab their folded cards to show some other player out of the hand that he should've stayed in. That directly influences the odds for the players still in it, because even if they don't know exaclty what the folded gems are, they know some possibilties have been diminished.

So, I guess to keep things black and white, talk all you want after the hand, but keep it serious during play.

[Gravitykillr]

He didn't ask for advice, the only thing he was doing was talking to himself trying to figure it out but at the points where he was looking to fold, holding his cards off the felt getting ready to toss them in was when the talking started. I didn't and still don't want to seem like a poor sport in this situation but my feeling is that his talking had a direct effect on what happened

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The guy not in the hand needs a punch in the chops. Everyone knows that the only people allowed to discuss the game are the people playing it. Once you fold, you STFU until the hand is played out. If you're talking, it'd better be about women or beer.

Absolutely. If there's a book on poker etiquette, it wouldn't state it any better than that. With some of the groups I play with, table talk like that would get a guy kicked out of the house.

[SportsJunky]

You should have told his buddy to shut his word hole.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Kipper is King

I would agree with the previous posts.

I think it would only be acceptable if your opponent was a total beginner and the other players are trying to help him out a little. If that's the case though, he should not be betting, and he should just be playing for fun until he gets things figured out.

for a second there, I agreed with the idea that if he were a beginner, a little help is ok. then I remembered that the pot was $300. $300 is not a beginner pot. I don't care if you're a bunch of oilpatch workers with only 2 days TO and $5000 to blow... A $300 pot is one to be taken seriously.

I seriously would have had a bit of a hissy fit. I'd have at least told the guy that he needs to plant a cork in his pie hole. And if the other guys at the table disagreed, you need to find new poker buddies. Or else just play for $5 or $20.

[corporatejay]

I think it depends on the formality of the game. Me and my buddies play and we suck it's like 20 dollars winner takes all (we play very infrequently) and no one really cares. Seems here like the guy should have shut his mouth.

[ericschand]

Can't remember the situation or game, but in a similar scenario, on TV,
with a bunch of pros playing, 2 left after flop, one bet, other came over
the top.

The first one moves all-in with an out-and-out bluff. He put the
2nd player with a low pair, was correct, and said it out loud.

However, now the guy with low pair is about to fold, talking and going,
"Yeah, you hit something on the flop." Another player who had folded
pre-flop says something like, "You sure? You really want to?"

He thinks, looks at the player who talked, and then calls the all-in.

The WHOLE table was VERY angry. They were really po'd. There
were a lot of comments directed at him. There was a distinct
"Why don't you *shut up*!" (no swearing, but I would have, and taken
the sanction or warning)

Even at that level, talking when you are out is not tolerated.

ers