11-07-2004, 04:02 PM
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Ben
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: God's Country (aka Cape Breton Island)
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MacLean University Rankings
That's the undergrad link, from there you can get the Comprehensive and Post-Doctoral links as well
how closely do people pay attention to this?
(not to brag but I was in last years... not directly just everything but one point I put for "hot and not" got published)
and the girl from Sydney that's interviewed used to be the Eagles anthem singer.
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11-07-2004, 04:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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How closely? Not very. If your school does well (like my alma mater did @ #12) you think it's a great survey and you received a quality education. If your school doesn't show up in the top 21, you probably think it's a piece of crap.
It's always interesting to check out, but I don't think people take it too seriously. I can't imagine employers look at it and think "hmm, this guy went to Bill's University and Maclean's says that is a good one".
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11-07-2004, 04:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I have no opinion really. I am surprised to see UNBC up there though. I almost went there but did some research and was turned off by their school.
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11-07-2004, 04:20 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Boy, times have changed. When I applied too University, many moons ago, the saying was 'If you can't get into University go to Lakehead, Laurentian or Windsor.' All were seen as far inferior schools compared to U of T, UWO, York, and Queens. Interesting that all of the smaller Universities got named; Brock, Trent, Laurier, Lakehead, Laurentian, and Ryerson. I toured Laurier and Brock, and didn't care for the schools, I applied at U of T, York and Waterloo, and went to York and ended at Waterloo.
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11-07-2004, 04:22 PM
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Scoring Winger
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I read the ratings, but don't really take it too seriously. There's obviously some truth to the ratings, but I personally think the whole rating system used by MacLean's is biased, and therefore disadvatages some schools automatically, esp. schools in the West. So I don't put a lot of stock into the ratings.
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11-07-2004, 04:23 PM
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Franchise Player
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Wow, St. FX, Mount Allison, Acadia, UNBC, UPEI, St. Mary's, Mount Saint Vincent, Moncton and Cape Breton; 9 of the top 21 are in the maritimes. It's amazing they can educate so well back home, but there so few jobs to put those highly educated people into.
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11-07-2004, 04:30 PM
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I believe in the Pony Power
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I don't pay attention at all.
If you know what you are going into in terms of a field you should look more at the specific department at the schools your are evaluating - not rankings like this.
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11-07-2004, 04:50 PM
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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I'd like to know why Lakehead is so high on the list. Can't really say anything good about the place. Guess it's good though since I'm a current student and I'll be better looked upon when I graduate.
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11-07-2004, 04:51 PM
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Ben
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: God's Country (aka Cape Breton Island)
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wow, you guys just made my day
I'm not a fan of the rankings, I think they are biased, and if you look at the forumla used you can see they stop just short of coming out and saying they're biased.
I don't think it measures quality of education whatsoever, but wanted to know how the "west" thought, as back home it's taken with a grain of salt by those with an IQ over 75, and considered the bible with those of an IQ 74 and lower.
Seems to be the way in Halifax as well. Mind you St FX shoves #1 in Canada (neglect to say primarily undergraduate) down your throat, and X grads I know boast about it as well.
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11-07-2004, 05:01 PM
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broke the first rule
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Quote:
Originally posted by JiriHrdina@Nov 7 2004, 05:30 PM
I don't pay attention at all.
If you know what you are going into in terms of a field you should look more at the specific department at the schools your are evaluating - not rankings like this.
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I agree.
Granted, your university having a high ranking by MacLeans does stroke your ego a bit, and those who are lower will always say 'it's flawed because of a, b, and c'.
Personally: it'd be nice if the U of C was higher in the rankings, but I realize that the program I'm in there is pretty highly regarded, and I know I'm getting a pretty good education out of it.
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11-07-2004, 05:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally posted by No I.D.@Nov 7 2004, 11:23 PM
Wow, St. FX, Mount Allison, Acadia, UNBC, UPEI, St. Mary's, Mount Saint Vincent, Moncton and Cape Breton; 9 of the top 21 are in the maritimes. It's amazing they can educate so well back home, but there so few jobs to put those highly educated people into.
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UNBC is in the Maritimes? 
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11-07-2004, 05:18 PM
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broke the first rule
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Originally posted by No I.D.@Nov 7 2004, 06:15 PM
 I was bound to make a mistake typing out that many names. I agree though, it seems pretty biased, the entire thing is pretty much eastern schools.
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The thing with Eastern schools is that they're all (for the most part) older schools, meaning they have more 'established reputations' larger library collections etc...those all play a huge factor in the rankings, which puts younger schools at a "disadvantage"
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11-07-2004, 05:25 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally posted by calf+Nov 8 2004, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calf @ Nov 8 2004, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-No I.D.@Nov 7 2004, 06:15 PM
# I was bound to make a mistake typing out that many names.# I agree though, it seems pretty biased, the entire thing is pretty much eastern schools.
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The thing with Eastern schools is that they're all (for the most part) older schools, meaning they have more 'established reputations' larger library collections etc...those all play a huge factor in the rankings, which puts younger schools at a "disadvantage" [/b][/quote]
That is exactly one of the bias problems. A university in the east has had a lot longer to build a reputation, and that also affects the amount of funding and donations the school gets, which in turn affects some of the other things the school gets graded on.
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11-07-2004, 05:32 PM
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Well, I don't mean to bash the east because I'm from there and it's a great place full of absolutely nothing but caring people, BUT, they can have all the fancy universites in the world as far as rankings go, but until they fix the problem at the unemployment line the schools really aren't doing much for them.
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11-07-2004, 05:54 PM
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Franchise Player
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I'm pretty sure if the UofC fired Harvey and got a new admin we might make top 21.
On a sidenote these ratings are garbage. I have heard alot of how the top 21 manipulate GPAs, classroom sizes just to get a high rating. It all depends on your program too.
As calf said, I am in a good program and am pretty satisfied how my education is going, just wish it was a bit cheaper.
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11-07-2004, 06:02 PM
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Heh, as biased as some of these rankings may be the UofC always manages to finish at or near the bottom of them. They had one in the Globe and Mail about a month or two ago and Calgary was dead last in 2 of 3 of the categories. However, Calgary's business program is one of the best in the country so, as someone stated above, you probably want to look at the specific field you are going into and see where that fits in with other university's.
Anyways, as a student at the UofC who has taken classes in sciences, business and political science I can say that we sure don't do much to try and raise our ranking in these reports. But (and how's this for Flames dedication) one of the biggest reason's I went to UofC as opposed to UofA was because I got Flames season's tickets last year. So I really couldn't care less what these reports say...
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11-07-2004, 06:44 PM
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broke the first rule
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Originally posted by peter12@Nov 7 2004, 06:54 PM
I'm pretty sure if the UofC fired Harvey and got a new admin we might make top 21.
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Not rebuting your point, but adding to it:
I forget which university it was out east, but they were perrenially near the bottom of MacLeans...so they raised their tuition astronomically, and found their way near the top...I bet Harvey could (if it were legal, that is) raise tuition to $10k a year and find U of C in the top ten.
But the guy's a goof...I can't think of anything he's done well for the university. Same with the SU.
Thank God HSB is essentially (becoming) more of a seperate entity from the university 
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11-07-2004, 08:33 PM
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broke the first rule
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Wasn't missing that at all...I knew where U of C stood...plus, most of the top Uni's in the Comprehensive and Medical/Doctoral are out East as well
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