Sister is shot over a bag of chips

[GirlySports]

SCARY!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/02/14/burkett.sc.child.shot.wbtw

[Sparks]

Jesus. If you have kids, get rid of the guns.

[troutman]

Gives new meaning to "all that and a bag of chips" . . .

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...a+bag+of+chips

[SarichFan]

Must've been a bag of the re-released Mexican Chili chips.. I'd do the same.

[Caged Great]

Well, it's her fault. Obviously you don't steal someone's chips.

[worth]

Guns aren't the problem. Teaching kids about them and storing them in a safe place is the problem. Which comes down to the parents.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by worth

Guns aren't the problem. Teaching kids about them and storing them in a safe place is the problem. Which comes down to the parents.

You cannot teach children proper gun safety. Even as teenagers they barely have a grasp on cause and effect to understand what it means to shoot someone. Not only that, most children have not developed any sense of empathy to use when judging cause and effect in the first place.

Parents can lecture all day long about things and yet their children will still screw up.

Better just to keep the damn things out of the house.

[OILFAN #81]

That is definately messed up but that doesn't frighten me as much as the story right under the one you posted where a guy pretends to have an appointment in a doctor's office (waits 30 minutes to an hour pretending he has an appointment), then goes in and brutally hacks and kills the psychiatrist with a meat cleaver (denting it as it hit a bone) and leaves through the basement (footage is shown him entering and leaving). Sick.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...hild.shot.wbtw

On the chips story, how the hell does a dad leave his gun out in the open. God, if you are going to have one in your house then lock it up and out of the reach of children. I'm not saying it is his fault entirely(dad) because at age 10 you aren't a little kid anymore and he clearly knew what he was doing as he pointed a gun at a relative before.

Oh and I guess she failed "betcha can't eat just one".

[worth]

Originally Posted by llama64

You cannot teach children proper gun safety. Even as teenagers they barely have a grasp on cause and effect to understand what it means to shoot someone. Not only that, most children have not developed any sense of empathy to use when judging cause and effect in the first place.

Parents can lecture all day long about things and yet their children will still screw up.

Better just to keep the damn things out of the house.

Sorry, disagree.

I can buy that a child may not fully understand what it means to shoot someone, but that is not required to teach proper safety principles and to help them understand shooting someone is wrong and that serious consequences can result.

I have seen plenty of examples of children learning and respecting guns, and that includes myself when I was a kid.

Regardless, if a parent didn't want to teach their kid about it, then proper storage safe handling principles is logical for most people. But no matter what, there are always circumstances where people don't do logical things.

[Canada 02]

I'm glad I'm not a psycho and don't know any

[OILFAN #81]

Man there are a lot of crazy stories on CNN today. The original topic (chips), then the meat cleaver one I linked too and then one where a 4 year old boy is killed because he soiled his pants.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...hild.shot.wbtw

[redforever]

Originally Posted by worth

Sorry, disagree.

I can buy that a child may not fully understand what it means to shoot someone, but that is not required to teach proper safety principles and to help them understand shooting someone is wrong and that serious consequences can result.

I have seen plenty of examples of children learning and respecting guns, and that includes myself when I was a kid.

Regardless, if a parent didn't want to teach their kid about it, then proper storage safe handling principles is logical for most people. But no matter what, there are always circumstances where people don't do logical things.

Why would any parent own guns and not teach gun safety? And why would any parent owning guns not store them properly? I have been around guns all my life. Gun safety was taught. Yes, people sometimes do not behave logically, that is why we should get to your second point.

You said proper safe handling principles is logical for most people. Well, in this country, it is mandatory for all people.

The two should go together. Gun safety should be taught in conjunction with proper gun storeage.

[nik-]

his lawyer is going with the "They were Lays" defence

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by llama64

You cannot teach children proper gun safety. Even as teenagers they barely have a grasp on cause and effect to understand what it means to shoot someone. Not only that, most children have not developed any sense of empathy to use when judging cause and effect in the first place.

Parents can lecture all day long about things and yet their children will still screw up.

Better just to keep the damn things out of the house.

WOW, I couldn't disagree more.
I've been around guns my entire life and was shotting as young as 7 or 8 years old.
I think it's pretty easy to teach kids that guns will kill people if used improperly.

Does that mean that everyone should have guns around.
Absoluely not. I know a lot of people who aren't responsible enougth to be around guns and their in their 20's.
But to make a blanket statement that you can't teach kids gun safety is pretty inaccurate.

EDIT: That all being said, cleary this is a case of a guy who didn't teach his kids proper gun safety.
Hell he apparently had a gun just laying around.

But there is a big difference between not being able to, and not being willing to teach kids how to properly handle/use a gun.

[worth]

Originally Posted by redforever

Why would any parent own guns and not teach gun safety? And why would any parent owning guns have them not stored properly? I have been around guns all my life. Gun safety was taught. Yes, people sometimes do not behave logically, that is why we should get to your second point.

You said proper safe handling principles is logical for most people. Well, in this country, it is mandatory for all people.

The two should go together. Gun safety should be taught in conjunction with proper gun storeage.

My point was to say that if a parent locks away their guns and never talks about them and the kid doens't see them, they wouldn't necessarialy need to teach gun safety because the kid would be oblivious.

I know the procedures for safe handling of firearms. I own several.

I agree. I have no problems having guns in my house, as they are nothing to be afraid of when you combine safety and knowledge of the firearm with proper procedures.

[FlamesAddiction]

Did she eat the chips after?

That would have been cold, eh? Shoots her sister, then eats her chips and dumps the crumbs at the end onto her sister's lifeless and bloody body. She could then give a McBain one liner like; "It looks like these chips aren't the only thing finished...".

Sorry if that's too dark.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

WOW, I couldn't disagree more.
I've been around guns my entire life and was shotting as young as 7 or 8 years old.
I think it's pretty easy to teach kids that guns will kill people if used improperly.

Does that mean that everyone should have guns around.
Absoluely not. I know a lot of people who aren't responsible enougth to be around guns and their in their 20's.
But to make a blanket statement that you can't teach kids gun safety is pretty inaccurate.

You need to understand my perspective. Death is absolute. There is no do-over for someone who gets killed. Children, in GENERAL, don't get that. Yes, it's a blanket statement but your own personal example doesn't prove it false.

Gun's are lethal even in the hands of children. Do we let them drive cars? Do we let them handle explosives? Do we let them skydive? Why should we let them handle guns?

I get that I'm hitting a cultural nerve, and I don't want to get into a gun control argument here. My point was that it's better for parents just to not have guns in the house at all.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by llama64

You need to understand my perspective. Death is absolute. There is no do-over for someone who gets killed. Children, in GENERAL, don't get that. Yes, it's a blanket statement but your own personal example doesn't prove it false.

Gun's are lethal even in the hands of children. Do we let them drive cars? Do we let them handle explosives? Do we let them skydive? Why should we let them handle guns?

I get that I'm hitting a cultural nerve, and I don't want to get into a gun control argument here. My point was that it's better for parents just to not have guns in the house at all.

To say that my own personal example doesn't prove your sweeping statement (that kids can't be taugth proper firearm safetly) is a little odd.
Seems to me that I was a kid when it was taught to me, so yup, there you go that looks like a good exception that proves the statement false.

But to be more general.
How often do you hear about small kids shooting each other?
Not very often.
How many 8 year olds in Alberta alone go hunting with their dads, and know how to safely use a gun. THOUSANDS. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most gun owners/users, were introduced at a relatively young age, probalby through hunting with Dad.

Besides, I'd be willing to bet a pretty large sum of money that the vast majority of kids who have used a gun on others had parents who did very little to teach their kids about proper gun safety.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

To say that my own personal example doesn't prove your sweeping statement (that kids can't be taugth proper firearm safetly) is a little odd.
Seems to me that I was a kid when it was taught to me, so yup, there you go that looks like a good exception that proves the statement false.

Did you really understand the reason why you were taught gun safety? I'm arguing that a child cannot understand the reason why they should not shoot a gun at another person. Not that they have no capacity for obeying a rule. A dog can be trained to jump through a hoop when you blow a whistle. They don't know why they should jump through that hoop though.

Proper gun safety involves an understanding of the consequences of shooting another living being. I don't believe kids should be shooting guns until they get a mature understanding of what the heck they are doing.

[arsenal]

replace "shot" with "stabbed" and are we having this argument again? Nope. It's a tragic event regardless of the tool used.