Boeing 787 Dreamliner

[Wookie]

I know there are some aviation nerds around - so I thought I'd post this. I found it sort of interesting too! The plane looks nice, maybe it'll lead to cheaper flights?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/07/08....ap/index.html

EVERETT, Washington (AP) -- Boeing Co. unveiled its first fully assembled 787 on Sunday to an audience of thousands who packed into its wide-body assembly plant for the plane's extravagantly orchestrated premiere.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Wookie

I know there are some aviation nerds around - so I thought I'd post this. I found it sort of interesting too! The plane looks nice, maybe it'll lead to cheaper flights?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/07/08....ap/index.html

EVERETT, Washington (AP) -- Boeing Co. unveiled its first fully assembled 787 on Sunday to an audience of thousands who packed into its wide-body assembly plant for the plane's extravagantly orchestrated premiere.

Cheaper? HAR!

Hopefully more convenient flights where you don't have to fly into monstrously congested ports first to get anywhere you really want to go.

[STeeLy]

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Cheaper? HAR!

Hopefully more convenient flights where you don't have to fly into monstrously congested ports first to get anywhere you really want to go.

Yeah - my cheaper comment was just sort of a pipedream thought. I could realistically imagine flights would be more expensive..

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

If I'm not mistaken, Airbus announced the A350 after the 787

Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4085631.stm

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

Actually, no. The market for A380 sized planes is only so big, and going after the A380 would have been a big mistake for Boeing. Also, the XWB has been redesigned after getting thoroughly spanked by the 787.

The new race will be to see who gets a super efficient 737 replacement out. That's worth billions worth of orders.

[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

I disagree. The A380 wont prove to be very popular. How many routes need a plane that size? How many airports will convert gates to handle the people?

This plane is the right size, and is more technically sound than the A380. Has it not already eclipsed the A380 in number of orders?

[MRCboicgy]

Went to the Boeing site and saw that Northwest had purchased some of these. My roomie (a big airplane guy) then proceded to rant again on being stuck on an NWA DC-9 two weeks ago while travelling in the US for work. Hopefully for his sake the two airlines he gets sent on the most use the short haul 787-3 when it comes out as he is sick of being on these old clunkers. He said the DC-9 was quite possibly the worst airplane experience he's had in 25 years...he's only 28 hehe but travels a lot and his last time on a DC-9 was in 1991.

From the esthetics point of view--the 787 gets two Fabulouses from us

[Tyler]

Didn't Air Canada put in a big order for these bad boys?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

why? there's no market for the double decker. The real money in the next couple decades will be in making uber efficient mid range jets.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I looked it over... and didn't think too much of it... This was made to compete with the A350 XWB, though something tells me that boeing should have made a full lenght double decker instead to compete with the A380

Wrong.

A350 v1 v2 and XWB were made in response to the overwhelming support for the 787.

The world market isnt large enough for 2 competing double decker planes.

Think about it, only 2 carriers in all of North America use a plane that has more than 350 seats, and both those carriers have 5th freedom rights and slots to burn at Tokyo Narita.

787 would be a perect plane for a company like westjet, however the time for that was 3,4 years ago to become one of the launch customers. Unfortunately at that time the comany didnt have the vision to forsee it.

MYK

MYK

[Fozzie_DeBear]

The 787 and the A380 are two different tools meant to serve two different markets, the big question is which market is bigger.

The coolest thing about the 787 is that b/c of the use of composite materials, the cabin pressure can be set 'lower' resulting in a more comfortable flight. IIRC with regular planes they set the cabin pressure to the equivalent of 8,000 ft above sea level because it causes less stress on the metals in the airframe but unfortunately more stress on the passengers.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I read a few months back on the two new airliners.

I've been waiting in anticipation for the A380 for years, I still have the Airways magazine talking about the "new" A3XX. I think that it'll be an amazing flight, and a joy to ride on.

The 787 I don't know as much about but it is definately targeting a different market. If both companies have happen what they want to happen with their planes, what you'll end up seeing happen is 787's will fly passangers from major intracontinential airports such as Dallas-Fort Worth to LAX, then transfer those passanger for intercontinental flight such as from LA to Toyoko.


Don't expect to see a Calgary-Toronto flight with an A380. It won't happen (not in the near future anyway). Only domestic I can see with the A380 would be in the US for airports such as, and only inbetween, LAX, O'Hare, and JFK (the biggies, mind you there are some other major airports IIRC Dallas, has an insane amount of passangers go through it, and Atlanta's has the most in the US).

I can't wait for the 737 to be replaced. Very popular, but my sweet surrendering slothballs the airpressure in them licks my bag!

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I agree that making a more efficient, more comfortable plane that does the same job as the 737 is going to be the cash cow in the aviation bussiness. More airlines fly those routes and hence the number of planes you can sell has huge potential.

[Ryan Coke]

The 787 is kicking an already beaten up airbus hard. It is designed as a state of the art 767 replacement--not a 'gee whiz' airplane like the A380, but far more important to the industry. The A350 is so far looking like it is too little, too late. Their only hope is some big EU subsidies to make them dirt cheap to buy. (did I use 'their' right? )

Air Canada will be getting some 787's, and don't be too surprised if Westjet does.


And what is your matter with the 737 pressurization? It is as good or better than any modern airplane, at least assuming you are talking about the NG's (600-700-800). Maybe you are talking about some of the older incarnations (maybe a Canjet -500?).

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

And what is your matter with the 737 pressurization? It is as good or better than any modern airplane, at least assuming you are talking about the NG's (600-700-800). Maybe you are talking about some of the older incarnations (maybe a Canjet -500?).

Oh man, I had a soft spot for CanJet. Nova Scotian company whose owner donated a boatload (planeload?) of money for the new management building at Dalhousie, while I was enrolled there. But sweet mother of Steven Colbert the pressurization in those were horrible. I had a headache the moment I walked into them.

As for WestJet, I don't recall what series I was on last time I flew with them (it was in 2004 to Calgary!) the pressurization was better but still not great. It didn't bother me until landing.

When I was younger pressurization never bothered me (with the exception of the old Fokkers that AirCanada Jazz, then Air Nova for us out East, used to have). Dash-8's, A320's, and BAe-146's never gave me a problem at all.

But that's just me, again I haven't flown on the new generation 737's, so I should have clarified, my apologies.