04-30-2007, 08:44 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Propane sticker / Police Question
Howdy,
I got pulled over by the RCMP today.. and here is the short version of what is pertinent to my question.
Its a ford 3/4 tonne, and its main fuel is propane. It has a secondary fuel, but I never use it. The propane tank hasn't been inspected, and doesn't have the sticker you apparently need.
Firstly, where can you go to get it inspected?
My second question is that the truck is registered as a passenger vehicle, and the cop was telling me that along with illegal transportation of dangerous goods (or something to that affect) he could ticket me because the registration should be commercial... (He tallied up over $2,000 worth of tickets that he said he could charge me with)
What is the law on that? If its a work truck, but its also a personal truck.. whats the deal?
I did end up getting a hefty ticket, but not for those listed above.
Also, if you go to court, can they charge you for things that they didn't charge you for that day?
Cheers.
Last edited by Jayems; 04-30-2007 at 08:49 PM.
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04-30-2007, 09:27 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by SteveToms
I have a question, do you not have any stickers on the truck? Because if you don't, the people filling your propane tank can be fined as they are supposed to check.  |
Yeah, 99% refuse (or so i've heard) except one place that is dirt cheap anyway... I don't usually fill it anyway.. I'm just told to drive it. And have since voiced my concerns since this debacle.
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04-30-2007, 10:10 PM
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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So this is a work truck you don't own, it has an illegal fuel source and is dangerous, and your company tells you to drive it?
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05-01-2007, 09:47 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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There was a think on the news a few months ago about people using thier pickup to go to job sites, and if they carry their tools in the truck then it is supposed to get a commercial license. The news footage (I think it was Global) was talking to a framer who was carrying an air compressor in the box of his truck and got ticketed for not having a commercial license.
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05-01-2007, 10:01 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
There was a think on the news a few months ago about people using thier pickup to go to job sites, and if they carry their tools in the truck then it is supposed to get a commercial license. The news footage (I think it was Global) was talking to a framer who was carrying an air compressor in the box of his truck and got ticketed for not having a commercial license.
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That has happened to my bro-in-law. And when he insured his truck, they made him insure it as a work truck, even tho it is only used to go back and forth to work and to haul his tools.
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05-01-2007, 10:06 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikki
That has happened to my bro-in-law. And when he insured his truck, they made him insure it as a work truck, even tho it is only used to go back and forth to work and to haul his tools.
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A truck does not need to be pulling down walls or towing cement mixers around to be considered a work truck. If you use it, in any way in the scope of performing your job, it is a work vehicle.
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05-01-2007, 10:07 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jayems
Howdy,
I got pulled over by the RCMP today.. and here is the short version of what is pertinent to my question.
Its a ford 3/4 tonne, and its main fuel is propane. It has a secondary fuel, but I never use it. The propane tank hasn't been inspected, and doesn't have the sticker you apparently need.
Firstly, where can you go to get it inspected?
My second question is that the truck is registered as a passenger vehicle, and the cop was telling me that along with illegal transportation of dangerous goods (or something to that affect) he could ticket me because the registration should be commercial... (He tallied up over $2,000 worth of tickets that he said he could charge me with)
What is the law on that? If its a work truck, but its also a personal truck.. whats the deal?
I did end up getting a hefty ticket, but not for those listed above.
Also, if you go to court, can they charge you for things that they didn't charge you for that day?
Cheers.
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This is absolutely true. My son is an electrician, his truck has commercial registration because occasionally he does transport items that are used in his work.
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05-01-2007, 11:11 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
A truck does not need to be pulling down walls or towing cement mixers around to be considered a work truck. If you use it, in any way in the scope of performing your job, it is a work vehicle.
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He works for a company and it is his own vehicle that has nothing to do with the company. Why is it when he bought a crappy car to drive back and forth to work, he didn't need to insure it as a work car?
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05-01-2007, 11:23 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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If that's the case then you can start writing all fuel expenses and maintenence on the vehicle off on taxes.
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05-01-2007, 12:27 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikki
He works for a company and it is his own vehicle that has nothing to do with the company. Why is it when he bought a crappy car to drive back and forth to work, he didn't need to insure it as a work car?
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Pretty much just the nature of the vehicle involved. Why would someone buy a truck, a vehicle meant for hauling, towing, attaching machinery to, if they are just commuting to work?
A crappy car, or any car for that matter, is far more likely going to be used for pleasure use or possibly visiting clients. A truck is considered more of a work horse then a car is.
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05-01-2007, 12:29 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
Pretty much just the nature of the vehicle involved. Why would someone buy a truck, a vehicle meant for hauling, towing, attaching machinery to, if they are just commuting to work?
A crappy car, or any car for that matter, is far more likely going to be used for pleasure use or possibly visiting clients. A truck is considered more of a work horse then a car is.
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He has a truck because that is what he wants to drive, I just think it is bogus for the insurance company to make the assumption that he is in fact using it for work. Just my opinion tho.
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05-01-2007, 12:35 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Not sure
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Originally Posted by Nikki
He has a truck because that is what he wants to drive, I just think it is bogus for the insurance company to make the assumption that he is in fact using it for work. Just my opinion tho.
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And he has every right to drive a truck if he wants to. If he is purely commuting to a job site, no tools or equipment, then he can get it privatley rated. But if he is carrying tools/equipment, drives to a jobsite every day then it is a commerical vehicle.
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05-01-2007, 12:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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This brings up memories of my last job and now I have a question.
I have a crappy car that I use to drive to work. In my previous job if I went to a clients I had to drive my own vehicle. I only got paid mileage if the client was out of town and I rarely went out of town. I didn't have to drive my car too often, maybe once or twice per month, sometimes more.
In this case was I supposed to have my car commerically insured/licensed?
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05-01-2007, 01:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
This brings up memories of my last job and now I have a question.
I have a crappy car that I use to drive to work. In my previous job if I went to a clients I had to drive my own vehicle. I only got paid mileage if the client was out of town and I rarely went out of town. I didn't have to drive my car too often, maybe once or twice per month, sometimes more.
In this case was I supposed to have my car commerically insured/licensed?
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No, in a situation like that where you are only going to visit clients, you can amend your policy to class 07 (some business use) you would see a small increase in your premium but you should be able to get that back from your employer.
When dealing with private insurance, you generaly only see 4 classes of vehicle use:
Class 01 - Pleasure use only, no commute to work/train station
Class 02 - Pleasure use and a commuting to work no more than 25 km one way
Class 03 - Pleasure use and high commute to work (more than 25 km one way)
Class 07 - Pleasure and business use (visiting clients as an example)
Short commute discounts can sometimes be added to the class 02 depending on your company, I believe it has to be less than 8km one way.
Last edited by GoinAllTheWay; 05-01-2007 at 01:09 PM.
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