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calculoso · 05-01-2007, 01:29 PM

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/po...f67c3e&k=17322

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Elizabeth May, the federal Green party leader, is standing by her comment over the weekend that condemned Stephen Harper's stance on climate change by comparing it to "a grievance worse than Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of the Nazis."

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"We have a moral obligation to our Lord and Father to ensure we don't destroy the creation that was given to us.

"Through the power of our Lord and Jesus Christ, we can meet this moral obligation," she said.

So much for becoming mainstream and having a separation of government of church....

Flame On · 05-01-2007, 01:31 PM

Ugh, that doesn't help, no matter how you slice it.

SeeGeeWhy · 05-01-2007, 01:35 PM

Whaa???

MarchHare · 05-01-2007, 01:38 PM

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"We have a moral obligation to our Lord and Father to ensure we don't destroy the creation that was given to us.

"Through the power of our Lord and Jesus Christ, we can meet this moral obligation," she said.

Has nobody told her that invoking religion is a poison-pill in Canadian politics?

peter12 · 05-01-2007, 01:39 PM

Can you imagine the mass foaming at the mouth if Harper said anything similar?

sadora · 05-01-2007, 01:43 PM

I agree with her views but not her wording. That just doesn't help at all.

MarchHare · 05-01-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

Can you imagine the mass foaming at the mouth if Harper said anything similar?

As opposed to the mass foaming at the mouth we're seeing now? It was a stupid thing to say no matter what party you support. With the exception of a few members on the far-right, Canadians, by and large, what to keep religion out of their politics. This comment is only going to lose her votes.

burn_baby_burn · 05-01-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MarchHare

As opposed to the mass foaming at the mouth we're seeing now? It was a stupid thing to say no matter what party you support. With the exception of a few members on the far-right, Canadians, by and large, what to keep religion out of their politics. This comment is only going to lose her votes.

As if they had a chance anyway.

FireFly · 05-01-2007, 01:53 PM

Interesting. It'll be interesting to see how Green supporters react to their leader being an apparently devout Christian.

troutman · 05-01-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Interesting. It'll be interesting to see how Green supporters react to their leader being an apparently devout Christian.

Interesting indeed. I imagine many greenies are secular.

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/01.05.2007b

Statement from Elizabeth May: clarification of misconceptions surrounding recent comments

Cowperson · 05-01-2007, 01:58 PM

"We have a moral obligation to our Lord and Father to ensure we don't destroy the creation that was given to us.

"Through the power of our Lord and Jesus Christ, we can meet this moral obligation," she said.

Is there something in the Bible, the one it took about a thousand years to edit to get it just right, that says Jesus was an environmentalist?

Or that he even stated a "moral" position on the matter?

Jesus, protect us from the fruit loops of the world.

Cowperson

Flame On · 05-01-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

Can you imagine the mass foaming at the mouth if Harper said anything similar?

Yeah one being the PM and one a fringe party leader, guess the outcry should be the same....

Flame On · 05-01-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowperson

"We have a moral obligation to our Lord and Father to ensure we don't destroy the creation that was given to us.

"Through the power of our Lord and Jesus Christ, we can meet this moral obligation," she said.

Is there something in the Bible, the one it took about a thousand years to edit to get it just right, that says Jesus was an environmentalist?

Or that he even stated a "moral" position on the matter?

Jesus, protect us from the fruit loops of the world.

Cowperson

Well it's a stretch, but in so far as a failing environment will probably cause mass death and effect those poorest and unable to cope, there is some precedent in the bible for helping those less fortunate I do believe.

Burninator · 05-01-2007, 02:06 PM

The issue that the article is talking about is not the religious quotes, but the Nazi comment. They want her to apologize for that comment, not the religious ones. I think some of you have the issue confused a bit.

peter12 · 05-01-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame On

Yeah one being the PM and one a fringe party leader, guess the outcry should be the same....

What about the reactions to Stockwell Day? CBC ran a smear piece on him after his comments regarding creationism. Not supporting Stock by any means, just pointing out what I see as a definite bias.

CaptainCrunch · 05-01-2007, 02:08 PM

I guess I have a few problems with her statement.

First of all comparing environmental policy to the policy that plunged the world into one of the most destructive conflicts of all time, encouraged a sadistic leader to invade countries commit genocide, and murder hundreds of thousands of his own people is in my mind pretty indecent.

Who's the Conservatives program appeasing, big Oil, industry, the people that are oppossed to Kyoto on various basis. Are these people to be compared to Hitler and the Nazi's?

And the whole religon overtone of her statement. Again if Harper had said that even when he was in the opposition would have been rammed through with a spit and turned slowly over the fire of the Liberal's, the NDP and the Canadian Voters.

Just my 2 cents

FireFly · 05-01-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

The issue that the article is talking about is not the religious quotes, but the Nazi comment. They want her to apologize for that comment, not the religious ones. I think some of you have the issue confused a bit.

Are not both things an issue? Yes, the Nazi comment was bad. However, that she's the leader of a party invoking Christianity as a reason to govern in a certain way also is an issue, no? Wasn't that the whole problem with Stockwell Day?

Slava · 05-01-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

What about the reactions to Stockwell Day? CBC ran a smear piece on him after his comments regarding creationism. Not supporting Stock by any means, just pointing out what I see as a definite bias.

I don't agree with the religious tone to her comments, but they are not really a parallel in this case. One guy was the leader of the opposition and believed that the earth was less than 6,000 years old and the other is not even a sitting MP.

If they ran the piece would anybody care to watch?

FireFly · 05-01-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

First of all comparing environmental policy to the policy that plunged the world into one of the most destructive conflicts of all time, encouraged a sadistic leader to invade countries commit genocide, and murder hundreds of thousands of his own people is in my mind pretty indecent.

I think her point is that unless we do more for the environment, we're condemning the human race to death, which would be slower and indiscriminate form of genocide, but genocide, nonetheless.

Daradon · 05-01-2007, 02:15 PM

Man, why can't this party get it's poo-poo together?