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Kybosh · 03-01-2007, 10:34 PM

Just curious if any else had seen this documentary and what they thought of it. I just watched it and found myself feeling a little sick. Using children as a means to an end is just terrible as far as I'm concerned. Thoughts?

AFireInside · 03-01-2007, 11:25 PM

I watched it a couple months ago. I agree, its just insane what those people are doing to those children. Talk about indoctrination....

calgaryrocks · 03-01-2007, 11:39 PM

...link?

evman150 · 03-01-2007, 11:41 PM

I watched it a couple months ago.

Shocking. That woman is absolute scum. The "best" (worst?) part is where she's talking about how the muslims are so committed to the cause that they are willing to kill themselves...and you think she's slamming them...until she says how we should all be like that, soldiers of god or something insane like that.

I feel sorry for the kids. Hopefully they grow up and learn to think for themselves.

Frank the Tank · 03-02-2007, 07:20 AM

My wife and I picked up the box in Blockbuster last weekend and both agreed it would be too horrifying to watch.

If we weren't taught/programmed to be religious, it simply would not exist.

Kybosh · 03-02-2007, 07:49 AM

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...link?

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

I thought it was hilarious how Ted Haggard got caught in that drugs/gay-sex scandal sometime after the filming of this movie.

I found that one of the strangest parts of the movie was when mullet-kid was being homeschooled:

Mom: "What are the fallacies with global warming?"
Kid: "The temperature has only gone up 0.6%."
Mom: "Right, that doesn't seem like such a big deal does it?"
Kid: "Nope. Mom, is there the same kind of debate going on about evolution?"
Mom: "Not really, creationism the only possible answer."

Lanny_MacDonald · 03-02-2007, 08:01 AM

This documentary was more terrifying than any horror I have ever seen. Religion is a good thing, when taken in moderation, but the indoctination these poor people use to poison the minds of these children is criminal. What is funny is that 75-80% of home schooled children are Christians. Catch them while they are young and incapable to think for themselves.

The most mind-boggling thing in the movie is when they are talking to the two boys in the hallway before they head off to camp, and the one kid (Levi) is asked when he became a Christian, and why? His response killed me. He said he became a Christian at 5, and did so because he need more in his life, that he just felt his life didn't have any purpose and meaning. Man, at 5 the only purpose and meaning my life had was how much play time I had, and how much of my mom's chocolate cake I could eat. These poor kids are dupes. The Christian faith is all about power, control and manipulation (queue the entry of Cheese and CalgaryBornAgain into the conversation). Pretty sad.

Textcritic · 03-02-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

This documentary was more terrifying than any horror I have ever seen. Religion is a good thing, when taken in moderation, but the indoctination these poor people use to poison the minds of these children is criminal. What is funny is that 75-80% of home schooled children are Christians. Catch them while they are young and incapable to think for themselves.

This is the balanced part about Lanny's response.

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The most mind-boggling thing in the movie is when they are talking to the two boys in the hallway before they head off to camp, and the one kid (Levi) is asked when he became a Christian, and why? His response killed me. He said he became a Christian at 5, and did so because he need more in his life, that he just felt his life didn't have any purpose and meaning. Man, at 5 the only purpose and meaning my life had was how much play time I had, and how much of my mom's chocolate cake I could eat. These poor kids are dupes. The Christian faith is all about power, control and manipulation (queue the entry of Cheese and CalgaryBornAgain into the conversation). Pretty sad.

Here is where the wheels fall off.

I am not going to defend religious institutions and faith preachers, but to paint "the Christian faith" with the same brush as one gigantic, monolithic entity is ridiculous. You were right the first time, and within the church it is no different: there are pockets in the Christian faith that are indeed all about power, control, and manipulation, as you have suggested. But you have conveniently ignored those millions of other Christians who are committed to serving God through their service to mankind.

As for the movie, I have been eager to see it, but as of yet have been unable to find it at Blockbuster.

photon · 03-02-2007, 08:42 AM

This camp was shut down after this wasn't it?

I saw the movie and I agree that it's an extreme example of indoctrination. I think the kids were being exposed to emotions and ideas way before they should have been; there's no way a 7 year old should be weeping because they are convinced they are terrible, that they have evil things that need to be fixed.

And yeah the Haggard part was amusing in retrospect.

Overall though I thought it was a pretty fair movie though, they didn't do it as a hit piece, it was more just an honest "here's what goes on". I've personally seen most of the kinds of things shown.

There was a Google video of this but it's been removed I think.

An HBO one along the same lines: http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/fri...god/index.html

Frank the Tank · 03-02-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

This documentary was more terrifying than any horror I have ever seen. Religion is a good thing, when taken in moderation, but the indoctination these poor people use to poison the minds of these children is criminal. What is funny is that 75-80% of home schooled children are Christians. Catch them while they are young and incapable to think for themselves.

The most mind-boggling thing in the movie is when they are talking to the two boys in the hallway before they head off to camp, and the one kid (Levi) is asked when he became a Christian, and why? His response killed me. He said he became a Christian at 5, and did so because he need more in his life, that he just felt his life didn't have any purpose and meaning. Man, at 5 the only purpose and meaning my life had was how much play time I had, and how much of my mom's chocolate cake I could eat. These poor kids are dupes. The Christian faith is all about power, control and manipulation (queue the entry of Cheese and CalgaryBornAgain into the conversation). Pretty sad.

That is hitting the nail on the head man. Not much scares me more than people like this.

Azure · 03-02-2007, 10:42 AM

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That is hitting the nail on the head man. Not much scares me more than people like this.

And people like that are a minority within the Christian faith.

I haven't seen it yet, but probably will, as I find stuff like this interesting, and disgusting at the same time.

At least we can learn from it.

Sparks · 03-02-2007, 12:28 PM

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Posted by photon: This camp was shut down after this wasn't it?

I read somewhere that they closed it temporarily because they were having problems with vanadalism and with people hassling them, after the documentary's release.

Everything I was going to say about this movie has already been said in this thread. Amazing movie.

Barnes · 03-02-2007, 12:34 PM

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And people like that are a minority within the Christian faith.

I think we all realize that. They however do the most/all the damage. I would also change that to faith, not just Christian faith.

It's very scary. Nothing you can say or show them will even allow for the slight possibility that things could be different. Like patriotism, faith can be like rohypnol.

Agamemnon · 03-02-2007, 12:36 PM

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And people like that are a minority within the Christian faith.

Exactly... a great point for those of us who like to point at Islam and say 'evil' based on the actions of a minority of its followers. Not every religious person is a fanatic nut like these people.

Vulcan · 03-02-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The Christian faith is all about power, control and manipulation (queue the entry of Cheese and CalgaryBornAgain into the conversation). Pretty sad.

I'd add, the whole world is about power, control and manipulation so the Christian faith isn't alone or you could take Solomon's declaration that "all is vanity", pretty much the same thing in my book.

There are very few people who take right action for it's own reward.

HOZ · 03-02-2007, 04:12 PM

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Exactly... a great point for those of us who like to point at Islam and say 'evil' based on the actions of a minority of its followers. Not every religious person is a fanatic nut like these people.

Well WHEN 12% of Christians start believing that beheading and killing those that are not of their faith and driving airplanes into tall buildings is OK. AND the 88% of the non-radical Christians make no attempt to condemn. halt,or isolate the 12% but instead come up with lame excuses and terms like Christophobia to deflect criticism.....

I'll be very happy to start pointing my finger at them too.

Agamemnon · 03-02-2007, 04:26 PM

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Well WHEN 12% of Christians start believing that beheading and killing those that are not of their faith and driving airplanes into tall buildings is OK. AND the 88% of the non-radical Christians make no attempt to condemn. halt,or isolate the 12% but instead come up with lame excuses and terms like Christophobia to deflect criticism.....

I'll be very happy to start pointing my finger at them too.

Seems like some subjective stuff here... I'm sure you have the source of the 12% stat, so you may as well drag that out for us to take a look at.

Also... I suppose to refute your (apparent) claim that Muslim's tolerate the radical minority I assume I'd only have to find a quote or two from a Muslim religious figure condemning radical Islam?

Both religions are probably populated by more or less normal people... its the fringe/radical elements of both that give each a bad name.

Unless 'we're' just good and 'they're' just bad... oh, I forgot the apparently obligatory condescending emoticon.

Mayer · 03-02-2007, 04:42 PM

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Both religions are probably populated by more or less normal people... its the fringe/radical elements of both that give each a bad name.

Exactly. I'm a Christian, but it pains me to see some of these radical evangelicals on TV. That is what turns people off to the very idea. Those people represent such a small percentage of the Christian faith.

Vulcan · 03-02-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

Well WHEN 12% of Christians start believing that beheading and killing those that are not of their faith and driving airplanes into tall buildings is OK. AND the 88% of the non-radical Christians make no attempt to condemn. halt,or isolate the 12% but instead come up with lame excuses and terms like Christophobia to deflect criticism.....

I'll be very happy to start pointing my finger at them too.

I don't know this for fact but I can surmise that the radical Muslims scare the crap out of the rest so they're not to quick to speak up. Even the Saudi government has to tiptoe around and I think it's the same in Egypt.

Lanny_MacDonald · 03-02-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

Well WHEN 12% of Christians start believing that beheading and killing those that are not of their faith and driving airplanes into tall buildings is OK. AND the 88% of the non-radical Christians make no attempt to condemn. halt,or isolate the 12% but instead come up with lame excuses and terms like Christophobia to deflect criticism.....

I'll be very happy to start pointing my finger at them too.

Watch the documentary and you'll see that 12% developing.