Don Imus dropped from MSNBC on Tv, maybe to lose job entirely

[transplant99]

The uproar from his remarks last week continue to hound him.

This is a guy I liked to listen to once in a while, but with what he said I cant disagree with any of the fallout affecting him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18072804/

[Jayems]

This is the biggest over-reaction ever.

Like opie and anthony on XM say:

How is this any different than the filth that is broadcast over the airwaves every day via rap music?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The uproar from his remarks last week continue to hound him.

This is a guy I liked to listen to once in a while, but with what he said I cant disagree with any of the fallout affecting him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18072804/

In an almost unheard of moment of clarity, ultra-conservative blogger Michelle Malkin points to the number one and two rap song lyrics in America right now:

The "song" is "This Is Why I'm Hot." It has topped the charts for the last 15 weeks. Here's a taste of the lyrics that young men and women are cranking up in their cars:

This is why I'm hot
Catch me on the block
Every other day
Another bitch another drop
16 bars, 24 pop
44 songs, gimme what you got…
… We into big spinners
See my pimping never dragged
Find me wit' different women that you s never had
For those who say they know me know I'm focused on ma cream
Player you come between you'd better focus on the beam
I keep it so mean the way you see me lean
And when I say I'm hot my dis is what I mean

Let's move down the Billboard list, shall we? The number two rap track in the nation this week is by rappers Bow Wow and R. Kelly (yes, the same R. Kelly who was indicted five years ago on a raft of child-porn charges and is still awaiting trial). The "song" is called "I'm a Flirt" and it's been on the charts for 12 weeks:

I'm a b pimpin
I don't be slippin
When it come down to these hos
I don't love em
We don't cuff em
Man that's just the way it goes
I pull up in the Phantom
All the ladies think handsome
Jewelry shining, I stay stuntin'
Thats why these s can't stand em
I'm a chick mag-a-net
And anything fine I'm bag-gin it
And if she got a man, I don't care
10 toes and I wanna be, cause I gotta have it

The final line:
Now the moral of the story is cuff yo chick,' cause hey,
I'm black, fresh , and I rap, plus I'm rich, and I'm a flirt.


Malkin provides other examples but you get the idea. Her concluding paragraph:

One dumb radio/television shock jock's insult is a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti-female hatred on the radio.

Imus gets a two-week suspension. What kind of relief do we get from this deadening, coarsening, dehumanizing barrage from young, black rappers and their music industry enablers who have helped turn America into Tourette's Nation?

Normally, I wouldn't give Malkin the time of day but she has a point . . . . how can you take black criticism of Imus seriously when guys like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't raising the same hue and cry about their own community?

Cowperson

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Normally, I wouldn't give Malkin the time of day but she has a point . . . . how can you take black criticism of Imus seriously when guys like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't raising the same hue and cry about their own community?

Cowperson

I thought this was about what a particular person said/did, not about rap music? I'm not meaning that in a mean way or anything, cow. A lot of music - not just rap but rock etc as well - don't have very good messages in them at all. But for what he said, he needs to be held accountable.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

I thought this was about what a particular person said/did, not about rap music? I'm not meaning that in a mean way or anything, cow. A lot of music - not just rap but rock etc as well - don't have very good messages in them at all. But for what he said, he needs to be held accountable.

The acceptable community standard appears to be far lower than anything Imus said.

If Imus were black, what he said wouldn't be an issue. That's the truth.

It's an issue because he's white.

We saw this debate on some other issue a few months ago as well . . . . . how blacks need to be looking into their own community standards if they want to apply those standards to non-blacks.

Malkin, by the way, is a visible minority.

I have had access to Imus through MSNBC but didn't listen to him.

Cowperson

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by fotze

Isn't nappy headed hoes a line in a movie or song or something? Good thing this happened because I didn't know that was that bad a saying. This seems 15 orders of magnitude less than the kramer outburst.

Yeah, its from a spike lee movie.. when spike lee heard that imus had referenced his movie (the name escapes me.. school days?) he said "imus has no idea what he's talking about"

haha

[Hakan]

If Imus were black, what he said wouldn't be an issue. That's the truth.

It's an issue because he's white.

Yup that's the issue alright.

So what's wrong with that again? That a white guy is using racially derogatory terms against blacks? Yup.

So what's your problem?

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

The acceptable community standard appears to be far lower than anything Imus said.

If Imus were black, what he said wouldn't be an issue. That's the truth.

It's an issue because he's white.

We saw this debate on some other issue a few months ago as well . . . . . how blacks need to be looking into their own community standards if they want to apply those standards to non-blacks.

Malkin, by the way, is a visible minority.

I have had access to Imus through MSNBC but didn't listen to him.

Cowperson

So in a blunt way: because others say bad things, then he should be allowed to too?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

So in a blunt way: because others say bad things, then he should be allowed to too?

because others are allowed to say bad things - he should be too.
if only one race is allowed to say certain phrases..... that'd be racist.

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

because others are allowed to say bad things - he should be too.
if only one race is allowed to say certain phrases..... that'd be racist.

Wow. Good analysis.

You fail.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

So in a blunt way: because others say bad things, then he should be allowed to too?

The people who are saying Imus said something bad are the same people who are only giving lip service to wiping out the use of "nappy headed ho's" in their own community . . . . and far, far worse.

The hypocrisy in the black community on this is positively dripping.

And yes, Hakan, that is my problem with this.

A point I've made on this board before . . . . white's aren't the only racists in the world.

Did Imus say something out of line?

Well, if you're listening to acceptable community standards that blacks apply to themselves, the conclusion would have to be "no."

As I said, this debate came up a couple of months ago regarding Michael Richards use of the "N" word where, to their credit, black leaders agreed, in retrospect, after the furor had died down and they were called out on it, that yes, there was a need for introspection in their community.

As with that case, black leaders would be better served to use the Imus comments not just as an opportunity to target Imus, but to use it as an example for elevating their own community standards as well so they don't appear to be the hypocrites that they are.

Cowperson

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Wow. Good analysis.

You fail.

creating a double standard based on the colour of someone's skin is racist. doesn't matter if its where you can sit on the bus, which water fountain you can use, what nightclubs you can get into, what jobs you can get or what words you're allowed to say: racism is bad.

[Hakan]

Nice deflection there Cowperson.

So basically it's the blacks' fault for all of this because they use racially derogatory terms against themselves and that leaves the door open for whites to do the same.

Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. Black people using the 'n' word is a controversial no doubt but it has been argued that it is a project of reclamation. They didn't ask to be identified as such but now that they are they reclaim the word as a reminder of their historical servitude.

Eitherway, that point is moot when I read this:

Did Imus say something out of line?

Well, if you're listening to acceptable community standards that blacks apply to themselves, the conclusion would have to be "no."

Whites are not a part of the black community and therefore they do not have the right to justify their actions in accordance with black community standards.

History is a significant issue in this topic which you conveniently ignore. Whites were the racially motivated subjugators of black minority, that fact hasn't gone away, and any attempt by whites to treat blacks in the way they treat each other is either racism veiled as equality, or cultural appropriation.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by fotze

What was the context of what he said, I can't find the actual sentence. why was he talking about basketball? why did he care they were black?

He was talking about the National Championship game the previous evening.

Something lost in the firestorm is that he made the "ho's" comment whilst complimenting the Tennessee girls on their looks (calling the cute etc, and they too were black)...thats what the context was, how the two teams appearances were is stark contrast to the other.

this wasn't "racist" stuff, but it was inappropriate.

Imus I dont believe is a racist guy at all....but made a very poor choice of words.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011

[worth]

The guy has a right to free speech. He can say whatever he wants. It has been a huge over reaction, but what he said was stupid and he'll have to deal with the ramifications.

[transplant99]

Whites are not a part of the black community and therefore they do not have the right to justify their actions in accordance with black community standards.

Does that then mean that the blacks are not part of the white community either then?

And you are so wrong....they are all part of one anothers community.

No it's not all love and peace and yes racism still exists, in BOTH directions.

I live in the South, I live in an area where there is a significant African American population compared to anything Canada and most of Northern USA has. So I think I have a perspective other what most in Canada and other areas have unless they have livedin such places.

[Ozy_Flame]

Somewhere along the line, I'm sure Eminem has said something similar in his lyrics too. That said, maybe it's not the color of skin that should be focused on, but rather it's delivery.

Somehow this flith gets away with itself in music, because usually it's surrounded by song, dance, and the media hype for the entire product, not the lyrics in particular.

When the general public hears a national-wide broadcast of two men in dialogue, and one goes off the deep-end as what Imus did, then it's an apocalypse of immesurable proportions. He said it bluntly, and the tone and style he used suggested he truly said what he believed. People pick up on it, and buy into that sort of stuff easily.

People don't like bad delivery of information or ideas, and thus the media circus over this, when I'm sure disparaging comments like this are thrown about hundreds of thousands of times a day in this world.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Whites are not a part of the black community and therefore they do not have the right to justify their actions in accordance with black community standards.

so basically.... you're racist. esentially you're saying that people have a different set of rules and standards based on the colour of their skin.

[transplant99]

From the April 4 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning:

IMUS: So, I watched the basketball game last night between -- a little bit of Rutgers and Tennessee, the women's final.
ROSENBERG: Yeah, Tennessee won last night -- seventh championship for [Tennessee coach] Pat Summitt, I-Man. They beat Rutgers by 13 points.
IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and --
McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos.
IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some -- woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like -- kinda like -- I don't know.
McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing.
IMUS: Yeah.
McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes -- that movie that he had.
IMUS: Yeah, it was a tough --
McCORD: Do The Right Thing.
McGUIRK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
IMUS: I don't know if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers or not, but they did, right?
ROSENBERG: It was a tough watch. The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the Toronto Raptors.
IMUS: Well, I guess, yeah.
RUFFINO: Only tougher.
McGUIRK: The [Memphis] Grizzlies would be more appropriate.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Hakan

So basically it's the blacks' fault for all of this because they use racially derogatory terms against themselves and that leaves the door open for whites to do the same.

.

They're hypocrites through and through on this issue . . . . . and what's more, their leaders appear to agree with that at moments of convenience even if they have short memories after the Michael Richard's incident.

Rev. Jesse Jackson, founder of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and longtime liberal activist, told the Chicago Defender Wednesday that Richards’ “racist rant” was not the big issue raised by the controversy.

“The bigger issue here,” Jackson told the black newspaper, “is that we must challenge all media to stop saying in the records [we play] and in the videos the word . We must move our young people from using the word .”


Jackson said African Americans “can’t go from protesting derogation to getting rich off of self-derogation.”

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the conservative Brother Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) and harsh critic of Jackson, also criticized what he called a “racial double-standard” that resulted in the backlash aimed at Richards.

“If the word ‘’ is so offensive and shocking to blacks, then why do black people themselves continue to use this word?” he asked in a release Wednesday.

“Black people cannot continue using this word, yet label others as ‘racists’ when they do the same in a fit of anger, as Michael Richards did,” Peterson said. “By not allowing whites to express themselves, it only drives the problem underground and forces people to keep these emotions bottled-up.”

The Rev. Al Sharpton, another frequent target of Peterson’s criticism, also criticized blacks for using the word themselves. In a radio interview Tuesday with WVON-AM, Sharpton called the word “a bullet” and asked how blacks could criticize Richards when many of them use the word themselves, according to the Defender.

As Malkin noted, what's missing from the current Imus critique is that same introspection.

This is a great opportunity for black leaders to point to their own community and the hypocrisy within.

Guys like Jackson and Sharpton are quick to stand up and grandstand on this kind of thing but if they really wanted to lead they wouldn't call for a look within only when they're challenged on it.

http://card.wordpress.com/2006/11/25...s-leaders-say/

EDIT:

McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes -- that movie that he had.

We can probably all agree that the word "Jigaboos" is not within "acceptable community standards" within the black community. It's interesting people are focussing on the "nappy headed ho's" phrase when the word above would actually seem to be the lynchpin on Imus's fate.

Cowperson