This is so brutal!

[ryangb]

This video is a dolphin slaughter in Japan. Warning, this video is graphic. Please sign this petition, and send to everyone you know. This has to be stopped.





The video http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin

The petition http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/

[wooohooo]

wow... almost made me threw up. Sick sick sick people...

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'm no expert, but before I'd sign something like that I'd like a little more information.

1 - how's that different than regular fishing? A bigger fish, more blood makes it bad, than just gutting one of the little fish?

2 - knowing what I know about the seal hunt and how much disinformation out there exists. What's the other side of the story? What are the socio-economic impacts of the dolphin hunt stopping? What are the climate conditions?

3 - is the slaughter of dolphins that much worse than cows, pigs or chickens?

I just want to stress, I'm not asking these questions to be a prick, I honestly don't know the answers. I do think that at the very least when caught the death should be quick and as painless as possible.

oh, last question, is this how the hunt currently takes place, or is it a random one off incident? IIRC the seal hunt 98% of seals are killed with a bolt to the brain akin to how cattle is killed. However the videos we see it's the traditional club with a hook.

Like I said, if you want people to support your cause give us more information than a quote and a video.

Good luck with your quest (and to show I'm not being a prick, answer the questions above I'll sign the petition)

[Burninator]

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Sign me up for that information. Good questions Scout.

I am very leary of some pro-animal groups because they put out lots of false information and imploy lots of scare tactics (see PETA). Lots of animals are killed everyday, some humanly some inhumanly. But for whatever reason the cute ones (seals) get more press than the more important ones that actually need help (sharks).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

1 - how's that different than regular fishing? A bigger fish, more blood makes it bad, than just gutting one of the little fish?

It's adorable, people get outraged when adorable animals are killed.

[Deelow]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's adorable, people get outraged when adorable animals are killed.

No kidding. It's not like they're killing dogs. They're only Dolphins people.

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's adorable, people get outraged when adorable animals are killed.

A professor I once had made a clever remark regarding protecting animal rights:

"Survival of the cutest" - That is only animals that are cute and/or cuddly get any attention from animal rights people. THey could give a damn about some ugly fish being pushed to extinction, or the treatment of insects and amphibians.

[GoinAllTheWay]

I think the biggest difference here is that dolphins are quite a bit more inteligent then say the pigs/chickens/fish that others have brought up as examples. Chickens and cows are killed almost instantly, cows get a bolt to the head while chickens get there heads chopped off, little suffering at all. Fish don't go quite as quickly but I doubt you could compare their inteligence to that of a dolphin.

Those dolphins were suffering BIG TIME from the looks of things and are probably FAR more aware of situation due to higher inteligence. That one being dragged behind the truck seemed like it was still alive although just barely.

That video is sick, they could have killed them MUCH faster then they did.

[AC]

The cuter the animal, the better tasting they are.

It's science.

[Devils'Advocate]

(A) I agree that most people protesting are doing it because dolphins are cute. If they looked like cows, it would be slice and dice away.
(B) However, there are some that are protesting the killing of dolphins because of their complex neuologic system. They are very intelligent creatures, possibly 2nd most intelligent mammal next to man. Though I've heard arguments that dolphins don't start wars and kill each other for paper. Thus, the argument goes, they have a greater capacity to suffer.

Of course, we don't know where to draw the line after that. If dolphins are intelligent enough to suffer, what about cows or pigs or sheep? I became a vegetarian for many reasons, most of them ecological, but not knowing the capacity of each animal to suffer was in there somewhere.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by AnthonyCook

The cuter the animal, the better tasting they are.

It's science.

That is the exact reasoning behind my desire to eat a penguin.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

That is the exact reasoning behind my desire to eat a penguin.

A statement like that can be interpreted in the wrong way, especially on a hockey website.

[Flames_Gimp]

sick video.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

I think the biggest difference here is that dolphins are quite a bit more inteligent then say the pigs/chickens/fish that others have brought up as examples. Chickens and cows are killed almost instantly, cows get a bolt to the head while chickens get there heads chopped off, little suffering at all. Fish don't go quite as quickly but I doubt you could compare their inteligence to that of a dolphin.

Those dolphins were suffering BIG TIME from the looks of things and are probably FAR more aware of situation due to higher inteligence. That one being dragged behind the truck seemed like it was still alive although just barely.

That video is sick, they could have killed them MUCH faster then they did.

I agree that it could be, and should be done quicker. No need to make an animal suffer. When if you're going to do something slowly to an animal may it be to have it grill over a BBQ after it's passed.

That said, my question of this being a one off incident, or common place still goes unanswered. I'm don't think it's fair to condem an entire economic sector, and people's lives, and jobs over the actions of a few. If the rest of the hunt is indeed done humainely then why protest it? If you shut it down, those clowns would more than likely keep up what they are doing.

Show me it's an industry problem, not one video and some blood.

I'll agree that what happened in the video is gross, disgusting, and should NOT be supported. However demonstrate the link between the video and petition.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by JimmytheT

"Survival of the cutest" - That is only animals that are cute and/or cuddly get any attention from animal rights people.

Generalize much?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

I think the biggest difference here is that dolphins are quite a bit more inteligent then say the pigs/chickens/fish that others have brought up as examples. Chickens and cows are killed almost instantly, cows get a bolt to the head while chickens get there heads chopped off, little suffering at all. Fish don't go quite as quickly but I doubt you could compare their inteligence to that of a dolphin.

Those dolphins were suffering BIG TIME from the looks of things and are probably FAR more aware of situation due to higher inteligence. That one being dragged behind the truck seemed like it was still alive although just barely.

That video is sick, they could have killed them MUCH faster then they did.

Actually I think chickens are held upside down and their heads are dunked in electrified water which knocks them out them, then they are, uh, dismantled so to speak. Sometimes the chickens avoid the water and are still alive for the next part, which one would imagine is quite painful. In regards to cows, sometimes the bolt doesn't hit the right spot and requires another bolt or two. Again this can't be pain less for the cow.

The point I am trying to make is that not every animal in the slaughter house dies this way, in fact probably a very small percentage does. When an animal group like this shows a video, they typically show those small percentage of animals that die in a horrific way. (see Scouts post and the seal hunt) I can't say whether or not every Dolphin dies this way, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a small percentage of the death of dolphins. Maybe I am just bitter towards a couple of animal advocacy groups, but I tend to take everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Actually I think chickens are held upside down and their heads are dunked in electrified water which knocks them out them, then they are, uh, dismantled so to speak. Sometimes the chickens avoid the water and are still alive for the next part, which one would imagine is quite painful. In regards to cows, sometimes the bolt doesn't hit the right spot and requires another bolt or two. Again this can't be pain less for the cow.

The point I am trying to make is that not every animal in the slaughter house dies this way, in fact probably a very small percentage does. When an animal group like this shows a video, they typically show those small percentage of animals that die in a horrific way. (see Scouts post and the seal hunt) I can't say whether or not every Dolphin dies this way, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a small percentage of the death of dolphins. Maybe I am just bitter towards a couple of animal advocacy groups, but I tend to take everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

I'm with Burninator on this. Once burnt, twice shy. If that is how all the dolphins, (or atleast large percentage) are killed in Japan, I'll be the first to sign the petition upon recieving said information. I'm *NOT* supportive of what was in the video.

However I don't want to support the closure of an industry on misinformation. Groups like PETA (People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, not People who Eat Tasty Animals) have left such a sour taste in my mouth that I'm skeptical of propoganda like this. There was so little information given before asking us to sign the petition flags went off for me.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I'm with Burninator on this. Once burnt, twice shy. If that is how all the dolphins, (or atleast large percentage) are killed in Japan, I'll be the first to sign the petition upon recieving said information. I'm *NOT* supportive of what was in the video.

However I don't want to support the closure of an industry on misinformation. Groups like PETA (People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, not People who Eat Tasty Animals) have left such a sour taste in my mouth that I'm skeptical of propoganda like this. There was so little information given before asking us to sign the petition flags went off for me.

PETA are totally counter-productive to the cause they appear to champion.

While I do tend to believe that with endangered species it is the humans who should give way (it is way easier for us to move/retrain), unless it is a proven issue I want to avoid knee-jerk reactions.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JimmytheT

A professor I once had made a clever remark regarding protecting animal rights:

"Survival of the cutest" - That is only animals that are cute and/or cuddly get any attention from animal rights people. THey could give a damn about some ugly fish being pushed to extinction, or the treatment of insects and amphibians.

I think for it to be a clever remark, it has to be true.

They protest rats being tested on, and they are the people you see on the news scrubbing some seagull that's covered in crude oil. Pamela Anderson/PETA are making noise about protecting chickens.

Do you know many people that find rats, seagulls and chickens cute and cuddly?

I don't have anything to do with animal rights, but I do know the whole movement is based on plenty more than protecting a fuzzy bunny because it's cute or a dolphin because it has that delightful smile on it's face.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

PETA are totally counter-productive to the cause they appear to champion.

While I do tend to believe that with endangered species it is the humans who should give way (it is way easier for us to move/retrain), unless it is a proven issue I want to avoid knee-jerk reactions.

To keep going on the PETA tangent. While some good does come out of their organization, such as awareness. So much dis-information is pouring out of it, it's terrible. Don't get my wrong I am all for ethic treatment of animals, and I find people being needless cruel to animals just as distinguishing as the next person. But on no level do I think animals are the same as humans.

If PETA had their way, no one would eat animals, use animals for work, or have animals for pets. But the one thing that totally irks me with PETA is the call for the complete ban on animal testing. Animals testing has been given a bad name by these organizations. They paint scientists as lunatic animal torturers. When the opposite is true. If we banned animal testing we would effectively halt the production of any new medications. Every new drug from chemotherapy to Tylenol gets tested on animals before humans. Never does a serious drug get testing done on humans before going through animal testing. Stopping this would be killing humans in favour of saving rats and rabbits.

That's why lots of people say that PETA doesn't care about humans.

/end PETA rant