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Lanny_MacDonald · 10-28-2004, 03:33 PM

I would hardly rate the Drudge Report as a quality source for anything. Might as well dig through the entrails of a dead animal as look at that site for truth. I can't believe you read that fotze.

nfotiu · 10-28-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by fotze@Oct 28 2004, 09:38 PM
He links to a lot of tripe but breaks stories way before most.

A lot of things you've posted were on his site a couple days earlier and I thought would have been fata's.

Like Bingo's thread earlier I like to visit places that I do NOT agree with, more interesting that way.

We'll see if this just mysteriously disappears from his site like has happened before, but rarely, or will this turn into something.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136937,00.html

Pretty much says that abc got the tape, but no one has been able to authenticate it as being from anyone interesting.

arsenal · 10-28-2004, 03:41 PM

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Lanny_MacDonald · 10-28-2004, 04:02 PM

IIRC Drudge is owned by News Corp., so when you quote Drudge, you are also quoting FoxNews. Don't confuse the breaking of a story with the start of the echo. Just because a story "breaks and catches fire" does not make it true. There have been plenty of stories which have broken, started to make the rounds, then be proven false. A great example is the "story" that broke from the Washington Times (another terrible source of information) this morning in regards to the HMX and RDX explosives that disappeared in Iraq. They stated that one of the networks (CBS or ABC) had information pointing to the Russians sending in special forces teams to move the material to Syria, right underneath the noses of the no fly zones and the satellites over head. No sooner had that story broke and was catching fire than Yahoo (AP really) released the story that a radical group claimed they had the explosives. The Times withdrew their story quickly. The spin that is going on right now is unbelievable.

RougeUnderoos · 10-28-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 28 2004, 04:02 PM
IIRC Drudge is owned by News Corp., so when you quote Drudge, you are also quoting FoxNews. Don't confuse the breaking of a story with the start of the echo. Just because a story "breaks and catches fire" does not make it true. There have been plenty of stories which have broken, started to make the rounds, then be proven false. A great example is the "story" that broke from the Washington Times (another terrible source of information) this morning in regards to the HMX and RDX explosives that disappeared in Iraq. They stated that one of the networks (CBS or ABC) had information pointing to the Russians sending in special forces teams to move the material to Syria, right underneath the noses of the no fly zones and the satellites over head. No sooner had that story broke and was catching fire than Yahoo (AP really) released the story that a radical group claimed they had the explosives. The Times withdrew their story quickly. The spin that is going on right now is unbelievable.

Ha ha has that already been disproven? That bald-headed lunatic G.Gordon Liddy was on Crossfire this afternoon going on about that like it was the gospel. That's different than Giuliani though, who blamed it on the troops in Iraq.

Back to this thread -- I know the Republicans are trying to run with this "the terrorists want Kerry to win" theme, but does anyone actually buy that? It wasn't George W. they were trying to strike, it was the US. Are they going to change their tactics with a new president? Have they been "half-assing" it all this time, just waiting for another president to come along and then they'll really get things going?

It's just another grey-haired infidel to them. They aren't going to change tactics or do anything different because of the miniscule differences between the Democrats and the Republicans.

Lament #60564 on this topic from me: How come people think Kerry is a wimp and George and Dick are the tough guys? They were all against the Vietnam war, but the guy who actually went is the coward. I don't get it.

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-28-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 28 2004, 10:38 PM
Lament #60564 on this topic from me: How come people think Kerry is a wimp and George and Dick are the tough guys? They were all against the Vietnam war, but the guy who actually went is the coward. I don't get it.

RW spin my man, Nothing but RW spin. When you have the number of voices that can get the echo chamber going that the neo-cons have developed it is not difficult to convince people of anything. Repitition makes fact these days. That's how Bush and Cheney became tough guys and masters of foreign policy. And that's how Kerry's medals became embarassments. When you have a web site network supported by a national radio network supported by a TV network supported by newspapers supported by multiple think tanks you can get the message you want out there in no time. Say it once and let it ring through the echo chamber. People will believe when it comes from enough "independent" sources, even though they are all the same source.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-28-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 28 2004, 09:33 PM
I would hardly rate the Drudge Report as a quality source for anything. Might as well dig through the entrails of a dead animal as look at that site for truth. I can't believe you read that fotze.

bad analogy Lanny! There are people who dig through the entrails of dead animals to find the truth for a living. They're called medical examiners!

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-28-2004, 08:09 PM

What do you mean Fotze? How do my comments about the source of the report mean I think its bad for Kerry? I didn't comment on who it is bad for, just on the source and how these stories catch fire. Personally I think it will boil down to spin and who can do the most effective job. Seriously, if Bush hasn't lost every bit of support possible with the brutal job he's done in the last four years, then there is nothing he could do to lose the votes.

FlamesAddiction · 10-28-2004, 08:57 PM

Alright, I just watched this video on Primetime, and let me be the first to call BS.

It is an American making the threat, and they don't hide the fact. He refers to Americans as his "former countrymen".

If that is really from al Qaeda, it is the best quality film from them I have ever seen. It looks like a really good production compared to any other al Qaeda videos out there.

I would bet 10 bucks that it is hoax started by a group that wants to sway voters in favour of Bush by making it look like voting agaisnt Bush is agreeing with terrorists.

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-28-2004, 09:05 PM

Is there a link some where for the video?

FlamesAddiction · 10-28-2004, 09:12 PM

Part of it is on FOX's homepage right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/

calf · 10-28-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 28 2004, 09:12 PM
Part of it is on FOX's homepage right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/

Gotta love the not-so-subtle John Kerry ads next to the video. (I clicked on the link 4-5 times, and the same ad came up)...goes to a site about Stolen Honor it seems

I like Fox's logic (and I paraphrase) "it's possible it's real...look, a terrorist logo is on it"

I'm gonna call bs on the video...seems too contrived

RougeUnderoos · 10-28-2004, 10:41 PM

I don't know if it's real or not, but it seems that they filmed it after getting some acting and dialogue tips from Monday Night Raw.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-28-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 29 2004, 04:41 AM
I don't know if it's real or not, but it seems that they filmed it after getting some acting and dialogue tips from Monday Night Raw.

An even better comparison than my lame idea of Iraqi Pete of SNL fame.

Good call 'Roos.

FlamesAddiction · 10-28-2004, 10:56 PM

What if it is just a wrestiling angle being contrived Vince McMahon? I smell conspiracy!

Even the name "Assam the American" sounds like something right from the WWF.

Claeren · 10-29-2004, 12:22 AM

Not sure where else to put this but it summed up to me why Bush is such a bad president. So many of his supporters seem to think his little 'I am christian so everything i do is blessed by god' routine is a good thing but seeing words used like "American Crusaders" in a recent hostage video show why it may simply polarize the enemy and make the selling of their cause among the 1.6 billion muslims around the world and the recruiting process in general that much easier for them...

Claeren.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-29-2004, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Claeren@Oct 29 2004, 06:22 AM

Not sure where else to put this but it summed up to me why Bush is such a bad president. So many of his supporters seem to think his little 'I am christian so everything i do is blessed by god' routine is a good thing but seeing words used like "American Crusaders" in a recent hostage video show why it may simply polarize the enemy and make the selling of their cause among the 1.6 billion muslims around the world and the recruiting process in general that much easier for them...

Claeren.

Yes, so many. Why that picture just shows throngs of fanatical Christians who are supporting Bush in the fashion you describe.

Scary stuff.