Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-09-2007, 07:14 PM   #1
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default Neuroscientists can read your mind.

A TEAM of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act.
The research breaks controversial new ground in science's ability to probe people's minds and eavesdrop on their thoughts.
It raises serious ethical issues over how brain-reading technology may be used.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...524298541.html

Wow...just wow. The stuff that these scientists are coming up with these days is just amazing.
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 07:52 PM   #2
Table 5
Franchise Player
 
Table 5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor View Post
[I]
Wow...just wow. The stuff that these scientists are coming up with these days is just amazing.
yep, amazing stuff for sure. and yet cnn.com has atleast 6 or 7 stories dedicated to anna nicole smith on their front page.
Table 5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:09 PM   #3
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5 View Post
yep, amazing stuff for sure. and yet cnn.com has atleast 6 or 7 stories dedicated to anna nicole smith on their front page.
Tell me about it. Get over it all ready....she was a nobody.
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:12 PM   #4
ken0042
Playboy Mansion Poolboy
 
ken0042's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
Exp:
Default

I for one welcome our Neuroscientist overlords.
ken0042 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:21 PM   #5
Hack&Lube
Atomic Nerd
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Next stop! Mind scanners at the airport! The end of racial profiling is an absolute invasion of your privacy through invasion of your actual personal thoughts!
Hack&Lube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:28 PM   #6
jolinar of malkshor
#1 Goaltender
 
jolinar of malkshor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack&Lube View Post
Next stop! Mind scanners at the airport! The end of racial profiling is an absolute invasion of your privacy through invasion of your actual personal thoughts!
That would be something wouldn't it. If that technology is ever developed....I pray that our society never gets to that point.
jolinar of malkshor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:34 PM   #7
Incinerator
Franchise Player
 
Incinerator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: 30 minutes from the Red Mile
Exp:
Default

a good way to help these neuroscientist nerds to get laid
Incinerator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:36 PM   #8
Hack&Lube
Atomic Nerd
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Incinerator View Post
a good way to help these neuroscientist nerds to get laid
No that's their next project. Mind-controlling girls so they can get laid.
Hack&Lube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:37 PM   #9
Jayems
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

So... it doesnt tell you what intentions it could predict, but it goes on to say that it can possibly tell racial prejudice?

The fact that about 10 years ago, i put my finger into this scanner thing at London Drugs and it was some snowboarding game. And you thought to go left or right and the snowboarder went where you thought, thats pretty much the same thing... just 10 years ago
Jayems is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 08:59 PM   #10
photon
The new goggles also do nothing.
 
photon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Lol, I played that exact same snowboard game!! No one I've ever spoken with remembers it and thought I was crazy.
__________________
Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position.
But certainty is an absurd one.
photon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 09:24 PM   #11
Azure
Had an idea!
 
Azure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor View Post
Tell me about it. Get over it all ready....she was a nobody.
Maybe to you....
Azure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2007, 08:57 AM   #12
Iowa_Flames_Fan
Referee
 
Iowa_Flames_Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
Exp:
Default

Well, I wouldn't panic just yet. Cognitive neuroscientists have a way of overreaching when they estimate the implications of what they've discovered. A few points:
1. The test was done on mathematical operations. It's at least theoretically possible that mathematical operations are brain-region specific, but that other operations activate multiple complex brain regions.
2. Knowing what "region" of the brain a specific operation is done means very little--brain regions do all kinds of different things. As an example, you'll see amygdala activation during very different emotional states, AFAIK.
3. Even this crude test was only accurate 70 percent of the time. Hardly a basis for an ethical debate, in my view. For one thing, it's an interestingly high level of error for such a simple operation. What causes that level of error? Individual brain differences? If so, that pretty much makes this a useless tool for "decoding" the intentions of strangers, even if (a big if) it's applicable to things more complex than addition and subtraction in the first place.

My wife is a neuroscientist, so I pick up a few things here and there by osmosis. The current level of understanding of the brain was aptly described by V.S. Ramachandran as "it's as though we knew that the bladder contained urine, but knew nothing else about it."

Having an ethical debate about mind reading would be like having an ethical debate about human cloning immediately after discovering DNA. Let's have that debate in 50 years.
Iowa_Flames_Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2007, 10:37 AM   #13
jonesy
First Line Centre
 
jonesy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Niceland
Exp:
Default

I know thats not what you really think.
jonesy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2007, 11:15 AM   #14
Iowa_Flames_Fan
Referee
 
Iowa_Flames_Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy View Post
I know thats not what you really think.



Hey, my wife's a neuroscientist. I only think what I'm supposed to think!
Iowa_Flames_Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 05:56 AM   #15
icarus
Franchise Player
 
icarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Singapore
Exp:
Default

What a rip off, paying some neuroscientists to read my mind--I've been reading my own mind for years now!
__________________
Shot down in Flames!
icarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:48 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy