Cheny: Terrorists may bomb US cities

[Bertuzzied]

Cheney: Terrorists May Bomb U.S. Cities

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

CARROLL, Ohio - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) on Tuesday evoked the possibility of terrorists bombing U.S. cities with nuclear weapons and questioned whether Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) could combat such a threat, which the vice president called a concept "you've got to get your mind around."

So how is Bush going to combat this nuclear threat? Invade Iran and North Korea? If Bushy the war president is in power for another 4 years how can the US avoid a draft?

edit: whoops heres the link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...on_el_pr/cheney

[MrMastodonFarm]

Link to the rest of the article?

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied@Oct 19 2004, 06:16 PM
Cheney: Terrorists May Bomb U.S. Cities

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

CARROLL, Ohio - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) on Tuesday evoked the possibility of terrorists bombing U.S. cities with nuclear weapons and questioned whether Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) could combat such a threat, which the vice president called a concept "you've got to get your mind around."

So how is Bush going to combat this nuclear threat? Invade Iran and North Korea? If Bushy the war president is in power for another 4 years how can the US avoid a draft?

Now you're just being a Liberal agitator

[Bertuzzied]

I'm just wondering how many times Cheney or Rumsfeld have said there WILL be an attack on american soil since 9/11 ?

[badnarik]

maybe bush could just form some new army divisions like kerry proposes

[Bertuzzied]

Originally posted by badnarik@Oct 19 2004, 06:35 PM
maybe bush could just form some new army divisions like kerry proposes

That might work if they just stay in Iraq but they are going to go after other nuclear terrorists. I don't think they will have the manpower for that.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Serious fearmongering by the Bush camp. They are on a downward trend so this is not surprising. Every time they have been on a downward trend they invoke 911 or the treat of a major attack to counter that trend and get the wishy washy voter to sway their way. Now in Phoenix, the 5th largest metro area in the US and a spot where 911 terrorists trained, I have heard nor seen any indications of a change in the terror alert level. I think Cheney is rattling a sabre hoping to scare voters.

I'm also curious how Cheney thinks Kerry could do a worse job. I do believe it was his administration that was on watch when 911 happened. I do believe it was his administration that ignored the intelligence that allowed for the attack in the first place. Now Cheney is supposed to have us all confident that they will protect us from a nuclear threat? Good lord, they couldn't protect us from planes flying into buildings, even when they knew the attack was coming. These guys crack me up!

[calculoso]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 19 2004, 12:59 PM
Good lord, they couldn't protect us from planes flying into buildings, even when they knew the attack was coming.

Good one!

They knew this one was coming, and they also know that there are 10 more attacks coming every day.

Now, which of these are true, which are just rumors, which are blatantly false, which have been successfully prevented, etc?

You just know that Iginla is still in Calgary, even though he's been rumored to go here, there, and everywhere. Were these rumors real rumors? Were they pure fiction?

You don't know. I don't know. Only "they" know.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by calculoso+Oct 19 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calculoso @ Oct 19 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 19 2004, 12:59 PM
Good lord, they couldn't protect us from planes flying into buildings, even when they knew the attack was coming.

Good one!

They knew this one was coming, and they also know that there are 10 more attacks coming every day.

Now, which of these are true, which are just rumors, which are blatantly false, which have been successfully prevented, etc?

You just know that Iginla is still in Calgary, even though he's been rumored to go here, there, and everywhere. Were these rumors real rumors? Were they pure fiction?

You don't know. I don't know. Only "they" know. [/b][/quote]
That's for them to find out and deal with isn't it. If you're saying that they can be excused because they didn't know which one was procisely the real threat, why have them working on it in your book? I thought Bush had good leadership and could be trusted for that sort of thing.

[calculoso]

Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 19 2004, 01:52 PM
That's for them to find out and deal with isn't it. If you're saying that they can be excused because they didn't know which one was procisely the real threat, why have them working on it in your book? I thought Bush had good leadership and could be trusted for that sort of thing.

If you want to look at it in a vacuum, which Lanny's done and we've argued about before, then it looks simple. They screwed up royally.

The simple fact is that mistakes were made, but there are many zillion other things happening in the world at the same time. This may have been on a top-20 list of potential threats. This may have been on a top-10 or top-5 list. We don't know. The fact still remains that the other 19, or 9, or 4 items on those respective lists did not happen. Is that by accident?

Things could be better. In the same token, things could also be very much worse as well.

[89revival]

A little fuel for the debate.....pretty interesting, some may have viewed this already.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryho...ntagon.php#Main

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by calculoso@Oct 19 2004, 07:25 PM
You just know that Iginla is still in Calgary, even though he's been rumored to go here, there, and everywhere. Were these rumors real rumors? Were they pure fiction?

You don't know. I don't know. Only "they" know.

The thing that matters is that the people who run the show know. The owners and management know where Iginla is going because they own his ass. They have very good intelligence in this regard and continue to press for more. They are not really guessing in this regard.

Bush and Co. were running the show. The KNEW. Christ, Gary Hart said on September 5th that an attack using planes was a very real threat in the near future and that he felt THOUSANDS of Americans would die. He said this in the Montreal freakin' gazette. If HE knew, the administration knew.

I really wish people would stop making excuses for the Bush Administration. Too many people have come forward and spilled their guts. Its acknowledged that they screwed up. They dropped the ball and deserve what they get in this regard.

[calculoso]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 19 2004, 02:21 PM
The thing that matters is that the people who run the show know. The owners and management know where Iginla is going because they own his ass. They have very good intelligence in this regard and continue to press for more. They are not really guessing in this regard.

First, you're assuming they have very good intelligence. Second, you're guessing at all the circumstances surrounding it.

Bush and Co. were running the show. The KNEW. Christ, Gary Hart said on September 5th that an attack using planes was a very real threat in the near future and that he felt THOUSANDS of Americans would die. He said this in the Montreal freakin' gazette. If HE knew, the administration knew.

Yup. Sure he knew. And what he knew turned out to be true.

How many other of these theories have been publicized with no action? How many other things could have happened but haven't?

I really wish people would stop making excuses for the Bush Administration. Too many people have come forward and spilled their guts. Its acknowledged that they screwed up. They dropped the ball and deserve what they get in this regard.

I'm not making excuses for them. I've said they made mistakes. I just don't think the mistakes are as big as you're making them out to be.

You're portraying everything in a vacuum, as if it's cut and dried that the event was going to happen and it was simply ignored.

That is just not reality and that is what I'm taking aim at.
(edit to fix quotes)

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by calculoso@Oct 19 2004, 08:50 PM
You're portraying everything in a vacuum, as if it's cut and dried that the event was going to happen and it was simply ignored.

No, I am not. I am basing the premise on years of data and numerous reports. When you have multiple reports that state a threat is imminent do you not listen? When your head of Counterterrorism tells your cabinet that shizzle is about to his the fan, do you not listen? It seems you are the one trying to portray things in an unfair light, like the information was just dropped in his lap minutes before the attack. The US knew this was coming from 1996 on. Bush knew it was imminent from August 6th on. Yet he did nothing. No vaccum. Just a whole of people being sucked in by an administration which refuses to acknowledge its part in history.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Oct 19 2004, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Oct 19 2004, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-calculoso@Oct 19 2004, 08:50 PM
You're portraying everything in a vacuum, as if it's cut and dried that the event was going to happen and it was simply ignored.

No, I am not. I am basing the premise on years of data and numerous reports. When you have multiple reports that state a threat is imminent do you not listen? When your head of Counterterrorism tells your cabinet that shizzle is about to his the fan, do you not listen? It seems you are the one trying to portray things in an unfair light, like the information was just dropped in his lap minutes before the attack. The US knew this was coming from 1996 on. Bush knew it was imminent from August 6th on. Yet he did nothing. No vaccum. Just a whole of people being sucked in by an administration which refuses to acknowledge its part in history. [/b][/quote]
I think what he's trying to say is that he did know about it, and about many others. 9/11 happened and others did not. Which means we can give him credit for those others not happening. Which makes little sense to me. And...given that logic, how is the US safer under Bush, if it's all just a crap shoot as to which threats turn out to be real. Hell let Kerry role the dice, he may get lucky

[calculoso]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 19 2004, 03:04 PM
No, I am not. I am basing the premise on years of data and numerous reports. When you have multiple reports that state a threat is imminent do you not listen? When your head of Counterterrorism tells your cabinet that shizzle is about to his the fan, do you not listen? It seems you are the one trying to portray things in an unfair light, like the information was just dropped in his lap minutes before the attack. The US knew this was coming from 1996 on. Bush knew it was imminent from August 6th on. Yet he did nothing. No vaccum. Just a whole of people being sucked in by an administration which refuses to acknowledge its part in history.

Fine. No vacuum.

How many other imminent threats were there in the same time period?