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Old 01-12-2007, 11:56 AM   #1
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My wife is wanting a telescope for her b-day that is coming up. SHe is starting to get into astronomy, not super into it but a little. So I am looking for a good telescope for her but probally not something that can look up a martians nose on Mars.
Also as she is just getting into it I do not want to spend a lot of money on one until I am sure that this is not a passing fancy.
So I thought that I would ask the most knowledgable group of people that I know what I should be looking for and where I can find them.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:16 PM   #2
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Are you in Calgary?

The Science Center used to sell telescopes, but I don't think they do now. As I said in the comet thread, they have free public telescope nights on Fridays, and you could get good advice there.

I think there is a telescope shop east of Chinook Center.

Maybe look here:

http://calgary.rasc.ca/

Buyer's Guide:

http://www.skynewsmagazine.com/pages/buyers_guide.html

Sky Vue Telescopes
144 Edgehill Close NW, Calgary, AB T3A 2X1
403-239-8386
skyvue@telus.net

Tele-Optics

2026 8 Avenue SE,
Calgary, AB T2G 0N8
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:18 PM   #3
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I guess it really depends on your budget.

You want to get a reflector type telescope for sure.

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3002001

Something like that is quite good for the price, I used one of those when I was younger.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:22 PM   #4
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Hm actually that seems high priced for what you can get nowadays.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/meade-11...ope-04007.html

Something like that would be cool.
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Costco seems to have one. Hard to argue with their return policy.

http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Browse/Pr...v=&browse=&s=1
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Well, I recommend against any "scope-in-a-box" type of kit you'll find in a department or camera store, as these usually have sub-par eyepieces and mounts. They're designed to look fancy...not to perform well. The best bang for your buck, and the easiest to learn to use, would probably be a Dobsonian-mounted reflector somewhere in the range of 6", which you'll find for a few hundred $$. It's not a classic looking telescope, but they get good reviews from everyone who has one.

Dealers in Calgary (if that's where you are):
TELE-OPTICS / www.tele-optics.ca
--He's actually a guy who deals scopes and accessories out of his garage. Don't know if he has many Dobs in stock, but you could check
SKYVUE TELESCOPES
--I know nothing about these guys...I assume it's a similar operation to the above

Alternatively, online dealers include <www.telescopes.ca>, if you like paying shipping & handling. If you're outside of Calgary and/or Canada, let me know and I'll check my magazines for ads from other dealers.

More advice: The Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, Calgary Centre, has public viewing events from time to time. They hold a public viewing night at the Science Centre every Friday evening (weather permitting). There's also a public star party in March...but I would guess you want to do something for your wife before that. Anyhow, check out the calendar at the RASC website. It can't hurt to actually get your hands on something before buying.

Final advice: The best telescope is not the biggest, or the fanciest. It's the one that you'll use the most. I've got a big 8" scope with a 30 lb mount that's great when I use it, but it's too much to take outside for a "quick peek" so doesn't get used often enough. Keep that in mind...that's why I recommend the Dob mount.

Let me know if any other advice needed/wanted.
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Costco seems to have one. Hard to argue with their return policy.

http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Browse/Pr...v=&browse=&s=1
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

A rickety mount like that will give you nothing but frustration. Do not buy a kit like this under any circumstances. My parents bought me such a thing 10 years ago, and almost killed my interest because it was near impossible to get a steady view.
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:04 PM   #8
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Thanks for the help so far. I am in Calgary.
Please remember I am a dummy so I know nothing about telescopes except you point the big end at the sky and look through the little end.
I also want to know what to look for so that I do not look like and idiot when shopping and thus have a sign on my forhead that says please sell me crap for a large price.
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What's your price range?
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:24 PM   #10
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What's your price range?
I am thinking a few hundred as I know they are not cheap but I do not want to go all out as I am not sure that this is not a passing phase like some times with my wife.
So say $500 max but cheaper is better.
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:27 PM   #11
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Seriously, Winners had tons of great professional telescopes for really cheap during Christmas. Don't know if they are still there but I think saw some.
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Well, I recommend against any "scope-in-a-box" type of kit you'll find in a department or camera store, as these usually have sub-par eyepieces and mounts. They're designed to look fancy...not to perform well. The best bang for your buck, and the easiest to learn to use, would probably be a Dobsonian-mounted reflector somewhere in the range of 6", which you'll find for a few hundred $$. It's not a classic looking telescope, but they get good reviews from everyone who has one.
I can't wait for my son to grow up a bit, I really hope he gets interested in astronomy. I think I'd want one with a motorized mount though since I'd like to actually take pictures.
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Well...your choice will depend on what you and/or your wife find most interesting. Some things are bright but small (e.g. planets), while others are dim and large (e.g. nebulae & galaxies). Others are dim and small, so you're screwed! In terms of the mount, just worry about getting something that won't be wobbly. Don't worry about equatorial vs. alt-azimuth right now, because you won't be doing any photography with this kit anyhow (as Photon mentioned).

Here are a few examples of what I think would be good "beginner" scopes in your range. I personally think you'd be better off going through a reputable dealer than a dep't store, but if you can find something good then do what you will:

6" Dobsonian mounted reflector with 2 eyepieces.
Points to consider:
-With the reflector design, you'll have to periodically "collimate" -- align the optics. It's not that difficult, but if you don't do it, things will start to look fuzzy and assymetrical.
-The Dobsonian mount has no tripod...it just sits on the ground, and you aim it by hand. Very easy, and probably more stable than a rickety aluminum tripod.
-30 mm finderscope is the smallest that you'd want to be even remotely usable
-This has 1200 mm focal length. Longer focal length will translate into higher magnification but smaller fields of view, and vice versa. I think this is a nice compromise. I have a 2000 mm focal length and it's a little bit too long for a lot of things up there.
-With included eyepieces, will let you see the moon, double stars, Saturn's rings, globular clusters, some galaxies and nebulae (from dark skies), and the Pleiades. Good at everything. Master of nothing.

Another 6" Dobsonian
-Only 1 eyepiece included with this one. About the same otherwise. I can't speak to the quality of either one, but both are good names.

I can't recommend any tripod-mounted reflectors because they tend to be too wobbly to be a pleasant experience.

A refractor perhaps?
-Much smaller aperture will limit you to only the brightest objects--planets, globular clusters, double stars.
-Computer controlled...I consider it cheating, but it might work for you
-More stable than a reflector on tripod...probably acceptable
-Not sure if it includes any eyepieces?
-No alignment of optics ever necessary with refractors

Another refractor
-Starting to get a little big for its tripod, but still ok
-Better aperture than the above = dimmer objects

Very compact...
-...but has the least light gathering power of any of these
-No alignment ever necessary

Another possibility?

And another?


With the remainder of your budget, buy a lunar filter, perhaps a barlow lens...maybe a "unit power" finder. These finders are often easier to use than the small scopes.

And finally...if you do happen to decide on a Dob and decide you don't like it, give me a shout and I might be tempted to buy it off of you! I need a "grab-and-go" telescope for my front yard observing.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:46 PM   #14
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Another informative links, in case your head's not spinning yet:

Cloudy Nights -- articles and forum
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I have an Orion ( www.telescope.com ) Skyquest XT8, which at the time was the best regarded 8" Dobsonian available.

It is a great scope.

However, my recommendation is instead:
- a decent pair ($200) of 7x50 binoculars that are tripod mountable
- The book Nightwatch (search it at amazon for details; often at costco or superstore)
- Camera tripod (if you don't have one already)

I personally guarantee that this set up is far far better for the beginning astronomer than any telescope... if they are serious about learning the sky.

As she learns about the sky, and what type of viewing she prefers (planets, deep space, etc.), she will be much better prepared to invest in, and utilize, a real telescope.

Downside is that it doesn't have the 'sex appeal' (???) that a telescope does, but in every other respect it is far superior for the beginning amateur.

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Old 01-12-2007, 10:44 PM   #16
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Thank you all for your help on this. I learnt quite a bit from the links and info that you all gave to me. Now I think that I can make a (fairly) informed decision. I am looking at a couple of the ones that people recomended but I do not like ordering large items on the net so I think that I will check out the local places and if I cannot find something that I want there then I will go for one of the ones from telescope.com.

Thank you all again.

P.S. We even went to the science center tonight to take in the viewing.
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However, my recommendation is instead:
- a decent pair ($200) of 7x50 binoculars that are tripod mountable
- The book Nightwatch (search it at amazon for details; often at costco or superstore)
- Camera tripod (if you don't have one already)
Heh... I think it's easier to preach restraint when you've already got 8" of mirror than when you don't

For me the fun part of astronomy has always been in the "hunting"--looking for the tiny, faint little things using any means necessary. When I started, I couldn't do anything but star-hop from the brightest things (using the maps in Nightwatch). In the process, though, I learned the major constellations and celestial coordinates...to the point that I can now use my setting circles to find Jupiter in broad daylight.

So, while I'm not disputing your advice, I just want to add that everyone's experience is different.
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