Polonium-210 found in Russian ex-spy's body

[Azure]

http://en.rian.ru/world/20061124/55968877.html

LONDON, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - A large dose of polonium-210, a radioactive isotope, has been discovered in the body of a Russian former spy who died in London, representatives of the British Health Protection Agency said Friday.
Alexander Litvinenko, a former Russian intelligence officer and a close associate of Russia's fugitive oligarch Boris Berezovsky, was admitted to a London hospital three weeks ago and initially diagnosed with acute poisoning.
Western media have circulated the deathbed note of Litvinenko, known as a fierce Kremlin critic, in which he accused Vladimir Putin of orchestrating his death.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Can't expect any less when the leader of the country is a former KGB agent.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Wouldn't be shocking in the least if that was the case as the Russian governmnet seems to be taking large steps back in time where they are imprisoning the only people who are able to run against Putin with charges which are generally accepted to be fairly trumped up. PLus everyone who has anything is connected to the mafia in one way or another.

[Cowperson]

The Calgary Herald headline this morning was priceless . . . . as famous last words usually are:

Dying spy declares:
"The *******s Got Me"

Cowperson

[Burninator]

Phew I almost brought Polonium-210 for lunch today...that was a close one.

[Tyler]

He's either rubbing the bellies of little boys or poisoning spies...

I dont get this guy

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Can't expect any less when the leader of the country is a former KGB agent.

So by this logic, we can expect a whole lot more from George Bush Sr. as former head of the CIA?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

So by this logic, we can expect a whole lot more from George Bush Sr. as former head of the CIA?

Sure..whatever.

The KGB is a lot different that the CIA. But go ahead and make comparisions like that.

[Looger]

yeah, george senior could never be involved in anything seedy or underhanded.

signed, oliver north

[jolinar of malkshor]

People are going to inherently bring aspects from one job to another....but come on....comparing GB senior to Putin and what the two are capable of.
Ok then.

[Looger]

the CIA has been involved in all manners of drug-running, assassinations, kidnappings, death squads, anything involving corruption of the soul and profit.

most alarmingly when bush senior was involved, i mean this guy was one of the boat operators for the bay of pig's invasion for god's sake.

the CIA ran absolutely and totally wild in south and central america when bush sr. was the vice-president.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Yes I would agree. But you must admit that the KGB was much more oppressive to not only other countries but mostly it's own people. Not to mention they were not really on the down low like the CIA tried to play it as they wanted the country to know that if you disent you will disapear.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes I would agree. But you must admit that the KGB was much more oppressive to not only other countries but mostly it's own people. Not to mention they were not really on the down low like the CIA tried to play it as they wanted the country to know that if you disent you will disapear.

i guess it really depends on your perspective.

like, if you're from some village that got wiped out by CIA-backed death squads, or not.

things happen in cycles, check the pasts of the guys hired by homeland security, plenty of ex-stasi, ex-KGB hired as consultants. the 'silver fox' markus wolf was hired by homeland security!

doing something to someone else's people instead of your own (which the CIA has done PLENTY of) does not a saint make you.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

i guess it really depends on your perspective.

like, if you're from some village that got wiped out by CIA-backed death squads, or not.

things happen in cycles, check the pasts of the guys hired by homeland security, plenty of ex-stasi, ex-KGB hired as consultants. the 'silver fox' markus wolf was hired by homeland security!

doing something to someone else's people instead of your own (which the CIA has done PLENTY of) does not a saint make you.

I no where did I imply that.

[Looger]

fair enough.

but trying to paint the CIA as more virtuous than the KGB, you may encounter resistance from those that read.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

fair enough.

but trying to paint the CIA as more virtuous than the KGB, you may encounter resistance from those that read.

Well sorry Looger... I would have to say that even though the CIA has a heavily tarnished past....the KGB was much...much worse.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well sorry Looger... I would have to say that even though the CIA has a heavily tarnished past....the KGB was much...much worse.

couldn't disagree more.

vague estimates from human rights organizations put the direct death tolls from CIA operations in the last 50 years at 5 million to WAY more.

not to mention machinations like operation ajax that directly lead to 'problems' we have to deal with today.

the KGB was very very bad but they cannot even come close to the death toll and the foreign insanity that the CIA can claim. and that's all declassified, out in the open.

there's plenty of crap that may or may not see the light of day.

[Looger]

many things that were blamed on 'commies' at the time were later proven by mainstream media to be run by western intelligence, like operation GLADIO in italy / western europe.

BBC documentary from 15-16 years ago:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...eration+gladio
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...eration+gladio
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...eration+gladio

wasn't russians. was us. bombing the bologna train station in 1980. bombing schoolbuses. pretty high and mighty.

[MacDougalbry]

Originally Posted by Looger

couldn't disagree more.

vague estimates from human rights organizations put the direct death tolls from CIA operations in the last 50 years at 5 million to WAY more.

not to mention machinations like operation ajax that directly lead to 'problems' we have to deal with today.

the KGB was very very bad but they cannot even come close to the death toll and the foreign insanity that the CIA can claim. and that's all declassified, out in the open.

there's plenty of crap that may or may not see the light of day.

Give us a break... Stalin alone killed 4 million (conservative estimate) to 60 million.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Looger

couldn't disagree more.

vague estimates from human rights organizations put the direct death tolls from CIA operations in the last 50 years at 5 million to WAY more.

not to mention machinations like operation ajax that directly lead to 'problems' we have to deal with today.

the KGB was very very bad but they cannot even come close to the death toll and the foreign insanity that the CIA can claim. and that's all declassified, out in the open.

there's plenty of crap that may or may not see the light of day.

I really love the term vaugue estimates, I'd love to see the 5 million death tolls broken down by operations. To me its like the butterfly effect, if somebody dies of the flu in Iraq, its counted as a direct effect of the CIA or the American Military.

And I can assure you if your counting deaths then the KGB would vauguly be responsible for more then 40 million direct deaths through the direct suppression of dissidents in thier own home county, the supression of dissidents in the warsaw pact countries. The open assasinations of foreign intellects, the suspected involvement in the assasination attempt of the pope. Beria's ability to arrest and torture confessions out of innocent people and the exterminations of thier families.Kryuchkov the head of the KGB's involvement in the 1991 coup attemp.

Your right the CIA isn't flying with the angels, but there is no comparison between the CIA and the evil that was perpetrated by the KGB both internally and world wide.