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[Lanny_MacDonald]

Come on down!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._iraq_weapons_2

The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Article+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Article)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
"Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there," Bush said. His words placed the blame on U.S. intelligence agencies.
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Heh. It's allllwwaaaayyys the CIA's fault, isn't it Bush? And maybe Clintons...

If only they weren't tied up in Iraq they'd have a boatload of money to bring the CIA up to snuff. You know, actually drop some money into something that will further the war on terror and actually make America safer...

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"[Kerry's] claiming I misled America about weapons when he, himself, cited the very same intelligence about Saddam weapons programs as the reason he voted to go to war," Bush said. Citing a lengthy Kerry quote from two years ago on the menace Saddam could pose, Bush said: "Just who's the one trying to mislead the American people?"
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This kinda clears up some of Kerry's comments on Iraq: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=269 .

It's funny though, with all the new information coming out of Iraq that there weren't any WMD's and Saddam posed 0 threat to America i'd like to think people would perhaps review their stance on the issue and act accordingly. Kerry's done that. Bush and Cheney seem to be stuck in fantasyland when it comes to Iraq...

[CaramonLS]

Best line of the whole article:

This week marks the first time that the Bush administration has listed abuses in the oil-for-fuel program as an Iraq war rationale.

[Fire]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 7 2004, 07:39 PM
Come on down!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._iraq_weapons_2

The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

If Canadians can vote the Liberals in I won't be surprised if Bush gets re-elected.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 8 2004, 01:39 AM
Come on down!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._iraq_weapons_2

The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

This is what I can't believe, I can't believe it's even semi close!! Nothing sticks to Bush, it's the one thing he's good at. There's gotta be some sort of deep rooted psychological, national denial going on or something. It is amazing IMO.

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 7 2004, 06:39 PM
The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

The problem is, Lanny, that many Americans would rather vote in a moronic, imcompetent, lying, in-credible monkey than they would vote for those godless hippie Democrats.

Yay partisanship. :angry:

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Flame On+Oct 7 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Oct 7 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 8 2004, 01:39 AM
Come on down!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._iraq_weapons_2

The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

This is what I can't believe, I can't believe it's even semi close!! Nothing sticks to Bush, it's the one thing he's good at. There's gotta be some sort of deep rooted psychological, national denial going on or something. It is amazing IMO. [/b][/quote]
Or people are just stupid. Every educated, well thought out vote is cancelled out by 5 uninformed, moronic votes come election time. People'll take what Bush says as 100% truth and what Kerry says as filthy lies, and vice versa.

No facts will get in the way of who they vote for!

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Five-hole+Oct 8 2004, 02:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Five-hole @ Oct 8 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 7 2004, 06:39 PM
The Bush Administration OFFICIALLY has no credability left. NONE. If these guys get re-elected it speaks volumes of the stupidity of the average American. How can an Administration caught in so many lies and still be in the race for the presidency? Has America any morals left?

The problem is, Lanny, that many Americans would rather vote in a moronic, imcompetent, lying, in-credible monkey than they would vote for those godless hippie Democrats.

Yay partisanship. :angry: [/b][/quote]
You think the Dems are more godless than Bush? Hell Bush could be the anti christ with his actions. I'm sure god punishes worse for killing (see the Ten Commandments) than gay relationships/marriage. He's greedy, corrupt, he lies and he for sure covets his neighbours ass (oil)! Real Godly there five hole

[Cowperson]

From a BBC story:

Faith is a key part of American society in general, with about 60% of citizens saying religion is "very important" in their lives according to a Gallup poll in November.

The way senior politicians talk so freely about their own faiths can seem strange in other countries - Gallup reports just 28% of Canadians and 17% of Britons say religion is "very important" to them - but it is commonplace in the US.

Eighty-one percent of Americans say "prayer" is an important part of their daily lives.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3335623.stm

There is a story in the New York Times today with John Kerry promising to make his faith a bigger part of his campaign in the last month, obviously identifying the trend and the base it gives Bush. The Times story said that 43% of Catholics didn't know Kerry was of their faith.

A poll a few weeks ago indicated some Americans won't even consider Kerry since Bush is a man of "obvious" faith and that's the guy they want in office.

As to the comments today from the Bush camp, the Duelfer report was pretty damning in saying "no WMD" but surprisingly didn't stop there and left the door WIDE open for spin.

The report is replete with names, dates and documents detailing negotiations over arms purchases and technical advice, which continued until just days before the United States-led invasion in March 2003. An Iraqi memo from 2000 tells military officials in Baghdad that the deputy general manager of the French company Sofema, a military-component marketer, will be bringing a company catalog so that they can "discuss your needs with him."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/08/politics...html?oref=login

The French are already denying:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3723924.stm

Terrific spin . . . . but there was nothing there at the time. Will people remember that in the next few days?

Should be one doozy of a debate tomorrow night.

Cowperson

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 7 2004, 07:15 PM
You think the Dems are more godless than Bush? Hell Bush could be the anti christ with his actions. I'm sure god punishes worse for killing (see the Ten Commandments) than gay relationships/marriage. He's greedy, corrupt, he lies and he for sure covets his neighbours ass (oil)! Real Godly there five hole

I think you could win an award for completely missing the point there. I was parroting typical half-brained right-wing slander of the democrats.

E.G.

"Hey Maude, who you votin' for?"

"Not them godless democrats, that's fer shure!"

"Darn tootin'!"

etc.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Five-hole+Oct 8 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Five-hole @ Oct 8 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Oct 7 2004, 07:15 PM
You think the Dems are more godless than Bush? Hell Bush could be the anti christ with his actions. I'm sure god punishes worse for killing (see the Ten Commandments) than gay relationships/marriage. He's greedy, corrupt, he lies and he for sure covets his neighbours ass (oil)! Real Godly there five hole

I think you could win an award for completely missing the point there. I was parroting typical half-brained right-wing slander of the democrats.

E.G.

"Hey Maude, who you votin' for?"

"Not them godless democrats, that's fer shure!"

"Darn tootin'!"

etc.

Reading comprehension is your friend. [/b][/quote]
Reading comprehension is my friend! What the hell are you....only joking. I see what you mean now. I wondered at the time if i'd jumped too early and you were being deadpan. I guess if I were American I'd vote for Bush now too, you know, being such a Cletus!
But if anything I proved that Liberal siders are feisty and fighting eh?

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 7 2004, 08:05 PM
But if anything I proved that Liberal siders are feisty and fighting eh?

I think it's from years of downtrodden misrepresentation...or, for the last 4 years, complete lack of representation.

[Vulcan]

I don't know that Kerry's Catholic faith is a real plus for him. I know when Kennedy [the first Catholic who] ran for President, it became an issue. Some claimed he would have to take orders from the Pope. I don't know if their is much Catholic hatred still simmering in the USA or if society has progressed to make it a non-issue.

[Thunderball]

I think the reason Bush might actually make it is the fact that John Kerry is a horrible Presidential candidate... probably the worst the Dems have churned out in a long time. If they would have tossed Hillary Clinton, Wes Clark, hell, maybe even Howard Dean... this would be a much different race.

Kerry is a pretty sleezy guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth. If there was a nomination for "2 new presidential candidiates please", it would clean house in this election.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 7 2004, 08:43 PM
A poll a few weeks ago indicated some Americans won't even consider Kerry since Bush is a man of "obvious" faith and that's the guy they want in office.

Am I the only one that is a little blown away by that?

I'm not religious in the least, so maybe I'm a tad biased.

But basing your vote solely on the fact that one guy is "obvious"ly religious is mind-blowing to me.

So..........you can invade a country (for little or no reason), killing countless numbers of innocent people (Americans AND Iraqis); but he's religious, so he gets their vote?

Huh?

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Thunderball@Oct 8 2004, 03:18 AM
I think the reason Bush might actually make it is the fact that John Kerry is a horrible Presidential candidate... probably the worst the Dems have churned out in a long time. If they would have tossed Hillary Clinton, Wes Clark, hell, maybe even Howard Dean... this would be a much different race.

Kerry is a pretty sleezy guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth. If there was a nomination for "2 new presidential candidiates please", it would clean house in this election.

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but I think that both Bush and Cheney or the sleazy ones, I'd really go so far as to say evil. Kerry is nothing of the sort.

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by Flame On+Oct 7 2004, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Oct 7 2004, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunderball@Oct 8 2004, 03:18 AM
I think the reason Bush might actually make it is the fact that John Kerry is a horrible Presidential candidate... probably the worst the Dems have churned out in a long time. If they would have tossed Hillary Clinton, Wes Clark, hell, maybe even Howard Dean... this would be a much different race.

Kerry is a pretty sleezy guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth. If there was a nomination for "2 new presidential candidiates please", it would clean house in this election.

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but I think that both Bush and Cheney or the sleazy ones, I'd really go so far as to say evil. Kerry is nothing of the sort. [/b][/quote]
Hey, I'm not about to say Bush and Cheney are classy guys... far from it. But you don't fight a greasefire by throwing more grease on it. Kerry is a very poor presidential candidate, and if Bush/Cheney weren't a couple of screw-ups, this wouldn't even be a race.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Thunderball+Oct 7 2004, 11:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunderball @ Oct 7 2004, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but I think that both Bush and Cheney or the sleazy ones, I'd really go so far as to say evil. Kerry is nothing of the sort.

Hey, I'm not about to say Bush and Cheney are classy guys... far from it. But you don't fight a greasefire by throwing more grease on it. Kerry is a very poor presidential candidate, and if Bush/Cheney weren't a couple of screw-ups, this wouldn't even be a race. [/b][/quote]
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I am just wondering why you say that. Why is he sleazy?

Compared to George Bush, Kerry looks like Elliot Ness. Compared to Dick Cheney, Kerry looks like Mother Teresa.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Oct 8 2004, 02:00 AM
Best line of the whole article:

This week marks the first time that the Bush administration has listed abuses in the oil-for-fuel program as an Iraq war rationale.

Might not be a legitimate rationale for the war, but it is certainly a major reason why the war happened in the first place.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by KootenayFlamesFan+Oct 8 2004, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KootenayFlamesFan @ Oct 8 2004, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Oct 7 2004, 08:43 PM
A poll a few weeks ago indicated some Americans won't even consider Kerry since Bush is a man of "obvious" faith and that's the guy they want in office.

Am I the only one that is a little blown away by that?

I'm not religious in the least, so maybe I'm a tad biased.

But basing your vote solely on the fact that one guy is "obvious"ly religious is mind-blowing to me.

So..........you can invade a country (for little or no reason), killing countless numbers of innocent people (Americans AND Iraqis); but he's religious, so he gets their vote?

Huh? [/b][/quote]
The poll said "SOME" Americans.

Pretty vague. Why are you blown away by it?