Some more fuel for the Lanny fire:

[CaramonLS]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...usa_rumsfeld_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Monday he knew of no "strong, hard evidence" linking Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s Iraq (news - web sites) and al Qaeda, despite describing extensive contacts between the two before the Iraq invasion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Along the same lines, Camarilla Rice now admits she was lying when she said those alluminum tubes siezed in Jordan had no other uses than for nuclear weapons.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...q_bush_tubes_dc

[octothorp]

During a question-and-answer session at the Council on Foreign Relations on Monday, Rumsfeld also was asked what was the "number-one reason for the war."

Rumsfeld said President Bush made the judgment that Saddam "ran a vicious regime that had used weapons of mass destruction on its own people, as well as its neighbors, and that it was important to set that right by removing that regime before they, in fact, did gather weapons of mass destruction, either themselves or transferring them to terrorist networks."

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You know, I never heard Bush state that as a prime reason for going to war. Infact, I'm pretty sure it became a key reason only in the last year or so when the links to al Qaeda were proved as weak and the WoMDs were starting to look non-existent.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The neo-con house of cards is falling in on itself. The truth is a refreshing thing to see.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Still can't believe people are considering voting for Bush after all this stuff coming out showing how we were really being misled, and how incompetently the post-war effort is being handled in Iraq.

Hee hee, watch this thread fall off into oblivion as those people that supported the war in Iraq choose to ignore it...

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by FlamesAllTheWay@Oct 5 2004, 12:05 AM
Hee hee, watch this thread fall off into oblivion as those people that supported the war in Iraq choose to ignore it...

I have a feeling Iraq threads will dominate this board for a while longer and there will be no rocks to hide under for either side!!

Still can't believe people are considering voting for Bush after all this stuff coming out showing how we were really being misled, and how incompetently the post-war effort is being handled in Iraq.

Gassing the post-war planning is a pretty good reason for firing them.

No one is missing Saddam. And only about half of America is sorry they bothered. The discussion on water cooler row in America is whether the Bush team are idiots and morons for believing the WMD argument or whether they are deliberate liars on the same topic. Both might be cause for firing but one certainly is.

Along the same lines, Camarilla Rice now admits she was lying

You can decide if she lied or not but she didn't offer an admission she lied in that story. She said she was aware of counter arguments and the administration went with the CIA version.

The New York Times had a long 15 page examination of the tubes, other WMD issue in the last few days. "How The White House Embraced Disputed Arms Intelligence." You may have to register to view it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/internat...ast/03tube.html

Cowperson

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Oct 4 2004, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Oct 4 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I have a feeling Iraq threads will dominate this board for a while longer and there will be no rocks to hide under for either side!!
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Heheh, yeah. I couldn't resist though.

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Still can't believe people are considering voting for Bush after all this stuff coming out showing how we were really being misled, and how incompetently the post-war effort is being handled in Iraq.

Gassing the post-war planning is a pretty good reason for firing them.

No one is missing Saddam. And only about half of America is sorry they bothered.
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For sure no one is missing Saddam, besides a select few in Iraq I would imagine. I'm definitely glad he's gone and i'm sure every anti-Iraq war person is as well.

Unfortunately, that isn't the problem that I have with the Iraq war. Eliminating Saddam and his rule over the Iraqi people were more of to-the-side bonus's of the invasion, they were never used as the full blown justifications for war. Well, I suppose eliminating Saddam was, but because of the 'threat' he posed to America, not really because of the way he treated his people.

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The discussion on water cooler row in America is whether the Bush team are idiots and morons for believing the WMD argument or whether they are deliberate liars on the same topic. Both might be cause for firing but one certainly is
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Tricky question for America in it's current state. There is such a distinct division in America revolving around Bush: either you really hate him, or you really like him. So i'm not suprised when I see two people on TV, one of which saying how the Bush admin was completely lying about Iraq and the other saying it was merely CIA intelligence the administration was passing on, intelligence that was later found to be faulty.

Who knows, though I suspect it was a bit of both. Using certain intelligence that supported the war effort (which turned out to be flawed looking back), and perhaps 'bending and twisting' other stuff to suite their cause...

[Vulcan]

Havin eleminated WMD and terrorism, what are the real reasons for invading Iraq? #1. Making Iraq a democracy [if you believe that, there is a bridge in Brooklyn going cheap] #2. making a profit or at least paying for the war with Iraq's oil [ that this plan seems to have failed doesn't mean it wasn't planned]. #3. Establish permanent military bases in Iraq [seems to be working] to control the oil and keep an eye on Iran and Sryia. #4. Get revenge on Saddam for trying to kill Georgies daddy.