Pres. Debate tonight

[troutman]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/...main/index.html

As Thursday night's much-anticipated first debate between the presidential candidates nears, the spin machines for both campaigns are working overtime, each claiming that its man has an advantage going in.

The debates are considered a crucial point in what has been a lengthy campaign. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll released Monday showed that 18 percent of registered voters said the three debates would make a difference when they decided for whom they would cast their ballot in November

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by troutman@Sep 30 2004, 04:54 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/...main/index.html

As Thursday night's much-anticipated first debate between the presidential candidates nears, the spin machines for both campaigns are working overtime, each claiming that its man has an advantage going in.

The debates are considered a crucial point in what has been a lengthy campaign. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll released Monday showed that 18 percent of registered voters said the three debates would make a difference when they decided for whom they would cast their ballot in November

Its not really a debate though is it?

Its each candidate answering a series of questions and putting their positions in front of the voters rather than punch/counterpunch.

Cowperson

[troutman]

The actual Pres. Debate Agreement:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/09/20/debate.memo.pdf

Topic tonight is foreign policy and homeland security.

[BlackEleven]

Originally posted by troutman@Sep 30 2004, 01:29 PM
The actual Pres. Debate Agreement:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/09/20/debate.memo.pdf

Topic tonight is foreign policy and homeland security.

32 pages? I guess you need a long agreement when you're including things like th colour/style of the backdrop, the temperature of the room, and who gets to do your makeup...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Sep 30 2004, 11:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Sep 30 2004, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-troutman@Sep 30 2004, 04:54 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/...main/index.html

As Thursday night's much-anticipated first debate between the presidential candidates nears, the spin machines for both campaigns are working overtime, each claiming that its man has an advantage going in.

The debates are considered a crucial point in what has been a lengthy campaign. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll released Monday showed that 18 percent of registered voters said the three debates would make a difference when they decided for whom they would cast their ballot in November

Its not really a debate though is it?

Its each candidate answering a series of questions and putting their positions in front of the voters rather than punch/counterpunch.

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
I know you watch Lou Dobbs Cow, so did you see him tonight? He is a little snippy about this whole thing and how it most definitely is not a debate. He said in that annoyed tone of his "it will be regurgitated stump speeches that we've all heard many times before". His guests were a couple former speech writers including the always charming David Frum. Ol' Lou wasn't too fond of his performance either.

One thing I've noticed about all this is that they spend far more time talking about the logistics and the rules, coaching, debating skills, appearances, memorable moments, strong comments bla bla bla but nobody, and I mean nobody I've watched lately, even discusses what they are going to say. How they say it is obviously much more important than what they say. If it wasn't such a big deal, I'd think it was kinda funny. It's one leg of the journey in a big popularity contest.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Sep 30 2004, 11:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Sep 30 2004, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Its not really a debate though is it?

Its each candidate answering a series of questions and putting their positions in front of the voters rather than punch/counterpunch.

Cowperson

I know you watch Lou Dobbs Cow, so did you see him tonight? He is a little snippy about this whole thing and how it most definitely is not a debate. He said in that annoyed tone of his "it will be regurgitated stump speeches that we've all heard many times before". His guests were a couple former speech writers including the always charming David Frum. Ol' Lou wasn't too fond of his performance either.

One thing I've noticed about all this is that they spend far more time talking about the logistics and the rules, coaching, debating skills, appearances, memorable moments, strong comments bla bla bla but nobody, and I mean nobody I've watched lately, even discusses what they are going to say. How they say it is obviously much more important than what they say. If it wasn't such a big deal, I'd think it was kinda funny. It's one leg of the journey in a big popularity contest. [/b][/quote]
Dobbs is always in a bad mood these days. A crotchety curmudgeon. Since he came back to CNN from his two or three years hiatus he's had a real edge. You might not agree with him but he'll tell you what he thinks.

I tune in and out so I didn't see that segment. Or I'll catch it later.

Cowperson

[CaramonLS]

If debates were in a more "classic" format, there is no doubt in my mind that Bush would be dominated by Kerry.

There is just too many issues for Bush to get completely absolutely taken advantage of, and there is little doubt that Kerry has a much higher personal intellegence than Bush.

"Kerry waivers on issues" is about the worst I've heard against him from bush, and thats not saying much.

[hah]

I wonder if they will discuss labour issues?

Maybe they can get the CBA meetings going.

Help the poor locked out workers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Oct 1 2004, 12:09 AM
If debates were in a more "classic" format, there is no doubt in my mind that Bush would be dominated by Kerry.

There is just too many issues for Bush to get completely absolutely taken advantage of, and there is little doubt that Kerry has a much higher personal intellegence than Bush.

"Kerry waivers on issues" is about the worst I've heard against him from bush, and thats not saying much.

You've bought into that myth I see.

One of Kerry's top strategists said on TV the other day that he's never seen Bush lose a debate.

I'll take his word for it over yours.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Oct 1 2004, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Oct 1 2004, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Oct 1 2004, 12:09 AM
If debates were in a more "classic" format, there is no doubt in my mind that Bush would be dominated by Kerry.#

There is just too many issues for Bush to get completely absolutely taken advantage of, and there is little doubt that Kerry has a much higher personal intellegence than Bush.

"Kerry waivers on issues" is about the worst I've heard against him from bush, and thats not saying much.

You've bought into that myth I see.

One of Kerry's top strategists said on TV the other day that he's never seen Bush lose a debate.

I'll take his word for it over yours. [/b][/quote]
I've bought into the Myth? In fact it was Kerry who wanted to have a debate a week until the election began. Bush was leaning towards 2 debates.

Sorry If I offended you because I think Bush isn't as smart as Kerry.

If it were a Punch/Counterpunch - especially with Kerry's background, he would win, hands down. But as some people seem to think it is, just people reading from a script.

Gotta love how they make a 32 page debate "rulebook" about debates. It would be much more entertaining and informative to see how each of these candidates do when ambushed or are under pressure.

**edit** I was not insulting Bush's previous debate record which you seem to think.

What would you like the Kerry Stratagist to come out say? "Kerry is going to beat Bush like a redheaded stepchild outside a woodshed?" Give your head a shake Dis.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Sigh.

First off....you think Bush has below average intelligence...whcih means you think he would suck in a straight up debate. He has participated in them in the past...and he's won...every time. He's not the moron you people seem to think he is.

Secondly, I would like the Kerry strategist to tell the truth. I'm sure he's confident in his candidate (Kerry is also a good debater, but he has a tendency to ramble and also to switch the topic in order to avoid answering...in an effective manner) but he doesn't have to paint Bush as a super-debator if he doesn't believe he is. Maybe you're the one who needs to give his head a shake.

And yes...the "Bush is a moron" stuff is a MYTH, born purely of his accent and his inability to pronounce nuclear correctly.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Oct 1 2004, 01:18 AM
Sigh.

First off....you think Bush has below average intelligence...whcih means you think he would suck in a straight up debate. He has participated in them in the past...and he's won...every time. He's not the moron you people seem to think he is.

Secondly, I would like the Kerry strategist to tell the truth. I'm sure he's confident in his candidate (Kerry is also a good debater, but he has a tendency to ramble and also to switch the topic in order to avoid answering...in an effective manner) but he doesn't have to paint Bush as a super-debator if he doesn't believe he is. Maybe you're the one who needs to give his head a shake.

And yes...the "Bush is a moron" stuff is a MYTH, born purely of his accent and his inability to pronounce nuclear correctly.

I'm sure Bush agrees with your Festiverously.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Well at least Bush assured us that America is still looking for Saddam Hussein, errr, I mean, Osama???

[dangler22]

I guess CaramonLS must have "misunderestimated" Bush's intelligence.

[calf]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Sep 30 2004, 07:19 PM
I'm sure Bush agrees with your Festiverously.

A man of lower-intelligence couldn't make up such a word on the spot. :P

[dangler22]

George W. Bush- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

[Cowperson]

Bush looks like Nixon on those cutouts when Kerry is talking . . . . not the sweating but the fidgeting.

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I think Bush is doing pretty good. He's defending himself pretty well so far. Kerry is dancing around him and is hitting him with good shots, but Bush is keeping up a good defense.

Check that. Bush just had the 5 second "deer in the headlights" to start a rebutal HE asked for.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

One thing we know for sure from Bush, Iraq is "hardwork".

[kipperfan]

As much as I dislike Bush, I would give him the advantage in a debate with Kerry(cant see this one, as im still working!).

Fact is Bush and his supporters are right calling Kerry a flip-flopper, on multiple issues, he has come out on two seperate and different sides, to two different crowds of people. If I'm Bush, I would throw this in Kerry's face every chance I got......what can Kerry say....."uhhhh it was taken out of context".

As much as I still believe Kerry to be the better man for the job, what the hell is he thinking jumping his viewpoint around on important issues?

If Bush can expliot these things he doesnt have to be a genuius to beat Kerry, his intelligence level is perfect for a publicly viewed debate, he can relate to the people alot better than a rhodes scholar, the average man understands Bush.

For these reasons I could see the gap in the polls continue to grow, as we move through these debates, I dont think they will help Kerry, he faces tremendous uphill battle if hes to win.

Just my thoughts.