Dr. David Ray Griffin examines the big 9/11 questions - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Looger · 10-20-2006, 10:07 AM

Many people have trouble believing the over-arching questions regarding the complicity of elements of the US government in the tragedy of 9/11.

Dr. David Ray Griffin speaks to the most skeptical with a clear thinking analysis:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...066688213413&q

He's the author of the more scholarly works available on the subject.

Doesn't so much plant his own theories in as put holes in the official story.

For those that just can't believe it's possible there's government involvement, this one's for you.

HOZ · 10-20-2006, 11:12 AM

Looger.....there is no question. The terrorists even admitted their guilt.

Resolute 14 · 10-20-2006, 11:33 AM

*yawn*

Another lame conspiracy theorist.

Flash Walken · 10-20-2006, 12:49 PM

i for one, enjoy these links, whether i disagree or not.

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-20-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

Looger.....there is no question. The terrorists even admitted their guilt.

No they haven't. If they had, it would be noted by the FBI and every other agency out there. There is no conculsive proof that al Qaeda was even involved in the execution of 9/11. They proposed the plan seven years earlier, but it was dismissed as being too complex and near impossible to pull off. Where did the "terrorists" admit their guilt?

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

*yawn*

Another lame conspiracy theorist.

A lame conspiracy theorist? You might want to take a look at who this guy is. This is actually one guy that I think has his head screwed on straight about this. He and Peter Lance are the two guys that I read and use as many of the starting places for my personal research. Both have studied the subject matter closely and are recognized as highly credible individuals. I guess I have to ask if you even bothered to watch the segment or if you completely dismissed it because it doesn't fit with your nicely packaged perception of reality? What he says is right on the money. The "myth" of 9/11 has grown to such epic proportions that is has become part of the nationalistic religion in America, and for those that support the Bush administration. Questioning the "official story" no matter how contrived or weak it is, is considered a sin. I like how he finishes this presentation, and uses the same angle I have been for the past few years. The "official story" demands that you believe in a conspircy theory, of which there is not enough proof to even garner warrants through pre-Patriot act means, and accept that conspiracy theory as fact. The only reason it is considered believable is because it is the government who has stated this, and the media who has repeated it endlessly.

Agamemnon · 10-20-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

*yawn*

Another lame conspiracy theorist.

No kidding, I wish we could just stifle all discussion on things we dismiss as loony. More 6 post threads where everyone agrees, less 4 page threads with actual debate!

White Doors · 10-20-2006, 01:59 PM

Holy lazy finger Quotes!

It's funny how a professor of theology can become the 'expert' for the 9/11 CT's. Can you say Ironic?
haha

Wow! A philosophy professor critiquing how a building collapses! Who would have thought that philosophy = structural engineering?
Oh! I know who! CT's!

God bless them all.

And what 'Laws of physics' does the 'amount of dust' produced violatate? I haven't heard of that 'law'.

Can someone 'enlighten' me please?

'The magic passport'? this is the best that you guys can do?

it would be funny if it wasn't so disrepectful.

Agamemnon · 10-20-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

'The magic passport'? this is the best that you guys can do?

it would be funny if it wasn't so disrepectful.

Well... you're the only one in the thread who's been laughing, I don't see anyone else making light of all this.

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Originally Posted by White Doors

Holy lazy finger Quotes!

It's funny how a professor of theology can become the 'expert' for the 9/11 CT's. Can you say Ironic?
haha

White Doors · 10-20-2006, 03:05 PM

'Evidence was destroyed'
'forensic evidence was destroyed'
'The official story has never been defended'.
He cites Charlie Sheen for god's sake - multiple times.

Now he's talking about he Duke University lacrosse team?

White Doors · 10-20-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Well... you're the only one in the thread who's been laughing, I don't see anyone else making light of all this.

I'm making light of his 'theory' not the people who died in the actual attacks perpetuated by the islamics that did.

He 'feels' endangered for his life and is asking people to come forward 'even at the risk of their own life'. Yet he has the truth? A philosophy docotorate is the 'expert' on what happened? You belive him? You want to validate his claims? You believe a missle hit the pentagon and not a 757? You believe the Cheny did this?

He's not even a scientist! He is with without a doubt an expert on NOTHING that happened that day. He is now suggesting that a senator's wife, on the plane, was 'in on it'.
Apparently 'Barbara Olsen' is missing. She is still alive! My goodness! I'm sure her husband is much relieved!

You explain.

White Doors · 10-20-2006, 03:18 PM

Now he's questioning America's entry into WW2. Suggesting that Pearl Harbour was engineered. Wow. This is an 'artificial enemy'

And I've been opened minded here, I've listened to the whole thing. All 138 minutes of it. It makes me concerned for the personal mental health of this man and those tha buy this clap trap, hook-line-and sinker.

Now he is saying that 'Global warming' has been a 'known fact' for 35 years. Interesting when you consider that the '70's were all full of global 'cooling' theories.

Wow - now he's quoting 'the new scientist' magazine.
Blames 'controlled demolitions' for the take down of the WTC's.

Unbelieveable claptrap.
He would like a 'revolution'.

good fella.
think he's trying to sell a few books?

Oh! 9/11 was 'a means to increase the empire'. 'We need to end this revolution before it's too late'

News for Dr. David Ray Griffen - it's already too late.
The 'American empire' is in it's death throes already and we will all bemoan this fact sooner than later.

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-20-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Well... you're the only one in the thread who's been laughing, I don't see anyone else making light of all this.

You know, its much better entering these threads and seeing nothing from this White Doors arsehole. I can imagine the garbage he's posted, having made 8 of the last nine posts and all, especially when I see these two gems quoted in your post.

Originally Posted by White Doors

'The magic passport'? this is the best that you guys can do?

it would be funny if it wasn't so disrepectful.

Originally Posted by White Doors

Holy lazy finger Quotes!

It's funny how a professor of theology can become the 'expert' for the 9/11 CT's. Can you say Ironic?
haha

The "magic passport" showed up unscathed, in perfect condition, miraculously found on the street and handed over to an "anonomous" police officer. Now, the mindless arsehole says this would be funny if it weren't so disrespectful, but in what way is that disrespectful, and how would that be funny??? That's is kind of the point! A passport was found in PERFECT condition after "supposedly" having been through a jet crash and explosion and then a collapse of an office tower, any nothing seems strange about that??? Jesus, they should make planes black boxes out of that material, because according to the feds those didn't survive the impact.

Next dumbass goes on to attack the speaker. I really don't think that a person's background or discipline is the issue here, since 9/11 covers so many different areas of expertise that would be impossible to be an expert in all areas. To properly digest the information you must be a gernalist and learn to organize and manage the information, not unlike a PM in the private sector. PM's don't need to know how code is written, they just need to know that the work was done properly by people with expertise in those areas. PM's don't need to know how to install infrastructure, they just need to know the work was done by people with expertise in that area. Griffin is a professor emeritus in both religion and theology, and knows his way around research and critical thought. It is his expertise in research and critical thought that allows him to be a very credible witness and an extremely capable PM in this regard. Trying to say that a professor emeritus is incapable of completing the research and fact checking required to support a thesis is mind boggling.

It's obvious why I put dumbass on my ignore list. I wish everyone would do the same. Actually, I wish CalgaryPuck would get their **** together and bounce him once and for all. What he adds to threads is limited to drive-bys and completely mindless crap that he can't backup. He's a **** disturber and nothing more.

White Doors · 10-20-2006, 04:03 PM

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Next dumbass goes on to attack the speaker. I really don't think that a person's background or discipline is the issue here, since 9/11 covers so many different areas of expertise that would be impossible to be an expert in all areas.

But to you, a theolgian is the 'man' to do it eh?
You also quote me on things that you shouldn't be able to see as no one 'quoted' rlse did that.. Even your 'ignore list' is a lie.

And how do you justify this joker to be a 'witness' and a 'credible speaker'? Give us something pre-9/11. I'm sure you can do this lanny.

prove us all wrong. I know now that you can see this!

I'f I'm the '**** disturber' you are the algae eater, Lanny.
Poor fella.

Looger · 10-20-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by White Doors

He's not even a scientist! He is with without a doubt an expert on NOTHING that happened that day. He is now suggesting that a senator's wife, on the plane, was 'in on it'.
Apparently 'Barbara Olsen' is missing. She is still alive! My goodness! I'm sure her husband is much relieved!

You explain.

he didn't claim this happened, he used the only precedent available, which is operation northwoods, a plan from the early 1960s that was approved by the joint chiefs of staff to frame an enemy.

the rest of your posts are such complete drivel, i just don't feel like responding to any more of it - that just stood out as the worst of your disinformation.

i wonder what the staunch supporters of the government line think of your analysis?

kinda hard to find them, these days.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/inde...m/itemID/13469

When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth
Oct. 2006 16%
May 2002 21%

Hiding something
Oct. 2006 53%
May 2002 65%

Mostly lying
Oct. 2006 28%
May 2002 8%

Not sure
Oct. 2006 3%
May 2002 6%

hmmm... 16%, not bad.