08-02-2006, 03:59 AM
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Darwin's Finches Demonstrate Evolution
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Finches on the Galapagos Islands that inspired Charles Darwin to develop the concept of evolution are now helping confirm it -- by evolving.
A medium sized species of Darwin's finch has evolved a smaller beak to take advantage of different seeds just two decades after the arrival of a larger rival for its original food source.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science....ap/index.html
Pretty interesting stuff, it should be a great example of evolution in action to illustrate how it can operate.
OT: A new topic for my 2500th post! Woohoo!
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08-02-2006, 06:05 AM
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only in America would you still have to try to prove that evolution exists.
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08-02-2006, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Table 5
only in America would you still have to try to prove that evolution exists.
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###. And cue the people who will pretend that a "debate" still exists on this issue in 5...4....3....2..
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08-02-2006, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Table 5
only in America would you still have to try to prove that evolution exists.
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Isn't denial a wonderful thing?
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"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
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08-02-2006, 08:04 AM
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-02-2006, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
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That is simply terrifying.
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08-02-2006, 09:34 AM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Some good news is that yesterday it seem the science people won enough seats in the Kansas board of education seat elections to keep ID out of the classrooms there (Kansas is the battle ground for this for some reason).
http://jgrr.blogspot.com/
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08-02-2006, 09:54 AM
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From what I have heard, Kansas has always been strong conservative Republican country (just ask Bob Dole), so ID promotors feel they will get the best reception there.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-02-2006, 10:13 AM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Yeah that makes sense as to why they'd choose there.
More Info: http://arstechnica.com/journals/scie.../2006/8/2/4850
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08-02-2006, 10:16 AM
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Jesus made their beaks smaller. He loves the little creatures.
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08-02-2006, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by photon
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Did you read any of the debate in the Soapbox at Ars? (I am an "et Ars Subscriptor". Wish MarchHare had posted the same pics here that he did in the Lounge on Ars).
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-02-2006, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
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lol.
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08-02-2006, 10:24 AM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Lol no! You talking about that 17 page Formal Debate thread?
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08-02-2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by photon
Lol no! You talking about that 17 page Formal Debate thread?
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Yeah, I read the first couple of pages. At some point though I just got annoyed and didn't want to wade through any more pages of monkeys throwing poo at each other.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-02-2006, 11:58 AM
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Had an idea!
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Is it just me, or are the Galapagos islands the same islands off of Master and Commander?
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08-02-2006, 12:01 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Evolution is bunk! Jesus told me so.
- George W. Bush
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08-02-2006, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Is it just me, or are the Galapagos islands the same islands off of Master and Commander?
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The same. Thats why it was such a big deal to the doctor to get to visit them, he was a naturalist.
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08-02-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon
he was a naturalist.
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Not to be confused with a naturist  .
www.naturistsociety.com (NSFW?)
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08-02-2006, 12:44 PM
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Yes... in Master and Commander, the naturalist was a reference to Darwin I believe.
I love it when examples of microevolution pop up like this because it really deals a blow to creationism. I wish this debate was over. It is stupid.
And taking from that article about the idiotic museum: “Americans just aren’t gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish,” he said.
I say: It isn't even that far fetched given the time periods we are dealing with... the earliest vertebrates were about 400 million years ago. We've been around (as homo sapiens sapiens) for about 130,000 years or so. So to go from a fish to a person took... oh... pretty much 400 million years.
Given that this kind of microevolution took place in finches over the course of 20 years, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if people evolved from fish over the course of 400 million years.
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08-02-2006, 01:02 PM
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Even most religious scholars agree the old testament is a collection of stories and fables inspired by God. I am a person of faith and don't get why one theory is pited against the other. God could well of created everything through a use of the big bang and evolution. One is a matter of faith the other is fact.
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